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    Quote Originally Posted by Crossblades
    I disagree. Shadow is indeed a Ninja. You can't throw weapons and use ninja techniques and NOT be called a Ninja. Even the strategy guide said so

    As for Mog, he is indeed a Dancer. How you gonna Dance and NOT be called a Dancer?
    It's simple, that's their given jobs. The game refers to Shadow as an assassin and Mog as a moogle. If you want to argue this one, take it up with Square, I didn't decide this, they did.

    They're also white mages. If you recall, at one point in the game you get a White Robe and it's description says "Robes made for White Mages." Who are the only White Mages in the game? Obviously, Eiko and Garnet.
    White mages can't summon. Duh.

    *cough*Bushido*cough*
    *cough*giltoss*cough*
    *cough*bladecatch*cough*

    Not that it matters much, Square themselves can't make up their mind what Samurai are supposed to be canonnically speaking.

    V: they have the above abilities
    VI: Cyan has 8 different sword techniques
    Tactics: They have the exact same abilities as magic knights X_X
    X-2: some sword techniques... and gil toss
    XI: they can ward off demons, and are resistant to demons and blindness, they also have some sword techniques

    You don't have to teach him Ultima ya know. Besides, by the time you get a lv. 4 sphere, the player would probably be to lazy to go back to the beginning of the grid just to learn one ability
    And you don't have to teach Lulu any black magic, and you don't have to teach Yuna any white magic, and you don't have to teach Wakka any abilities whatsoever. Still, Ultima is the only real ability besides Lancet (which is a DRAGON KNIGHT ability!) in his immediate path. Go figure.

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    Vivi, a Black Mage in it's purist form
    My darling, a black mage in its purest form is the kind you see in FFI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJZen

    White mages can't summon. Duh.
    So what? They're still White Mages. You can be two jobs. That's why Eiko and Garnet are Summoners/White Mages

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    I'm saying that Square completely breaks all of their own rules, defies all logic, and makes things up as they go with regard to jobs. This makes the whole concept of "correct jobs" not only a moot point, but dependant on perspective as well. You could say that the cast of FFII is entirely made up of red mages, but the fact is from the perspective of any game that HAS a red mage, they're not red mages at all. Red mages have specific weapons and armor that they can learn, and in most (all?) cases they can't learn any spell they feel like. You might as well try and discuss what the correct jobs are in FFV, which I've never heard anything more than a "well I like to go with..." on.

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    I agree. People CAN be 2 jobs. Its not a hybrid single job, its the fact they are 2 different jobs. Look at FFT. Yes Orlandu first comes as a Holy Swordsman but you can give him any other job as well. Does that mean orlandu is always a Holy Swordsman/Chemist/Knight/Monk/Preist/Wizard/Time Mage/Summoner/Geomancer/ yadda yadda? No.

    This goes for other games. You CAN be 2 different jobs. and yes, there can be alternating skills in different classes.

    Here is how I break Down Classes in ALL Final Fantasy Games

    Knight - Uses a sword as main weapon, sometimes defends
    Monk - Uses fists/claws, can heal sometimes
    Theif - Uses Daggers and steals
    Black Mage - Uses Black Magic and a rod like weapon
    White Mage - Uses White Magic and a staff like weapon
    Blue Mage - Uses Blue Magic and has a variety of weapon choices.
    Summoner - Uses Summon Magic. Most summoners come with a small array of Black or white magic as well.
    Ninja - Uses throw command, and katana or nunchuck weapons
    Samurai - Uses samurai baldes and special sword techniques.
    Ranger - Ranged weapon. This includes guna, bows and yes, Blitzballs and wrenches.
    Dragoon - Uses a lance and jumps to harm opponents often.
    Unique - There is nobody else ever like this in any FF. Or if there are, its a job class in either FFV or T

    Here's the breakdown of who is what from FFVI, VII, VIII, IX, and X

    FF6-
    Terra - Knight/Black Mage
    Locke - Theif
    Edgar - Knight
    Sabin - Monk
    Celes - Knight/White Mage
    Shadow - Ninja
    Cyan - Samurai
    Gau - Unique (Beast Mimic)
    Setzer - Unique (Gambler)
    Mog - Dragoon
    Relm - Unique (Pictomancer)
    Strago - Blue Mage
    Gogo - Unique (Mime)
    Umaro - Unique (Berzerker)

    FF7:
    Cloud: Knight
    Tifa: Monk
    Barret: Ranger
    Aeris: White Mage
    Red XIII: Unique (Beast)
    Yuffie: Ninja/Theif
    Vincent: Ranger
    Cid: Dragoon
    Cait Sith: Unique (Machine)

    FF8:
    Squall: Knight
    Zell: Monk
    Selphie: Ninja
    Quistis: Blue Mage
    Irvine: Ranger
    Rinoa: White Mage/Ranger
    Edea: Black Mage
    Seifer: Knight
    Laguna: Ranger
    Kiros: Monk/Theif
    Ward: Dragoon

    FF9:
    Zidane: Theif
    Garnet: Summoner/White Mage
    Vivi: Black Mage
    Steiner: Knight
    Freya: Dragoon
    Eiko: White Mage/Summoner
    Amarant: Monk/Ninja
    Quina: Blue Mage
    Beatrix: Knight

    FFX:
    Tidus: Knight
    Rikku: Theif
    Yuna: White Mage/Summoner
    Wakka: Ranger
    Lulu: Black Mage
    Kimahri: Blue Mage/Dragoon
    Auron: Samurai/Knight

    And for fun.. FFIV
    Cecil: Knight
    Kain: Dragoon
    Rosa: White Mage
    Rydia: Summoner/Black Mage
    Edward: Unique (Bard)
    Yang: Monk
    Palom: Black Mage
    Porom: White Mage
    Cid: Ranger
    Tellah: Black Mage/White Mage
    FuSoYa: Black Mage/White Mage
    Edge: Ninja

    There's a few interesting choices, let me explain.

    Mog is a dragoon because he equips a lance always and I feel he best fits the dragoon boots because in the WoR his dances suck, so he needs something to boost his usage. He's the closest that game has to a dragoon. Sure Edgar can equip spears too, but he is better with swords and his special is nothing close to a dragoons. Not that Mog's was.

    Selphie is a ninja only because she uses the nunchucks other than that she's not any class really. her special isn't too unique to a specific class. It does allow magic usage, but its not specific to black or white.

    Everything else fall into their nice unique categories. If you want to go all hard on it and say that Lulu isn't a pureblood Black Mage because of Focus first being a Monk skill that sucked, then you really are too hard pressed for what you consider a job class. You must take in account that these are different worlds, each with different systems of magic and leveling up and skill learning. If all those can be different, why can't the job specs differ from game to game?

    About FF2,3,and 5. Those characters do not have any given specific class and they are so open with how you raise them its impossible for anyone to fully agee that said person is supposed to be said job class.

    Basing it on artwork and what I remember of the game, FF2 would be:

    Frioniel: Knight
    Maria: Ranger
    Guy: Monk
    Lionheart: Knight
    Josef: Monk
    Ming-Wu: White Mage
    Richard: Dragoon
    Gordon: Knight
    Layla: Theif

    Any questions? Comments?

    Oh, the following "classes" are so unique that they really aren't full classes in all/many FF games:

    Chemist - Simply because in most games items can be used by all
    Berserker- Because it became a status effect, a pretty bad one too. its like calling Poisoned a job class
    Red Mage - Aside from FF1, this class hasn't been done right. Or barely at all. If it weren't for the awesomnes of FF1 i don't think anyone would even recognize the red Mage as a class in its own, but they'd see it as a sucky version of a combo White/Black mage
    Bard - Because, so far singing hasn't proven effective as a way to thwart enemies. I think that's why they aren't seen often.
    Dancer - Like the Bard, dancing has to come with something else to harm enemies. Unless your opponent is already down and you're wearing cleats, I can't see dancing be too painful, other than to the eyes.
    Preist - Well. Its just a rehashed name for a White Mage. Preists heal, as do White Mages. Preists use a staff. So do White Mages. Preist suck physically, so do White Mages. No difference. The use of "Pray" as a skill determines the difference? The why did the ONLY class acctually called preists (FFT) Not have that? They DID have all the White Mage's skills and wore theose white robes with red triangles white mages in FF wear though.
    Sniper - See Hunter and Gunner
    Archer - See Hunter and Gunner
    Hunter - Uses a bow to hit enemies. Long range unit. Aside from that, there's nothing to set this guy apart, and with the set up of FF battles the idea of a long range assailant is rediculous because you all have to stand in a line to fight anyhow. His specialty is the fact that IF there is a back row, he/she can do the same mediocre damage from there as if he/she were in the front row. Only FFT can masterfully make use of a long rane unit.
    Gunner - Forget the fact that bullets don't kill in FF. The gunner is essentially the same thing as a hunter, except he does mediocre damage with a Gun instead of a Bow. For the sake of simplicity, these 2 have been combined to Ranger
    Paladin - What do paladins attack with? Swords. Always? Yes. So whats the difference between a Paladin and a Knight? A wee bit of white magic? Ok, so whats the difference between a Knight/White Mage and a Paladin? Nothing? So if the person can cast white magic and is a strong swordsman, then they are a Knight/White Mage
    Time Mage - The use of time magic has been thrown around the magical spectrum that i feel anyone can use it. Early on there were Time spells in both white and Black magics. Later it became its own job class in the job system, but the class sucked because it never really did damage or helped. Tidus has some time skill for some reason, but it works out. Time Mage isn't a class, its a group of spells that can be thrown into a variety of other classes. From any of the 4 Magic types to status effects of Knights and Rangers.
    Oracle - See Time Mage basically.. its just mish mashed. Place where usable in each game.


    As far as I'm concerned the classes I named in the character description are the only ones that are real classes in the FF series, the rest are support classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crossblades
    Well, that's kind of hard but here goes

    Cloud - Warrior
    Tifa - monk
    Barret - Sniper?
    Cid - Dragoon
    Aeris - White mage?
    Yuffie - Ninja
    Cait Sith - Gambler
    Vincent - Shapeshifter?
    Red XIII - Fire Beast?
    regarding his ability to shapeshift with his limit-breaks, can Vincent also be somewhat classified as part Morpher? Morphers attack w/monster souls captured by Hunters. many of the abilities that Morphers use can also affect status, as well as some of Vincent's limit-breaks.

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    I say cait sith has no class, cait sith isnt a person nor does it have a personality. The real question is what is its controllers class? I say Puppetteer cause i like the sound of that

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    I like the way you think, redcydranth

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    you know what, I think there are only 8 classes, you heard me, eight, and they're all in FF1

    You got your basic fighter, a knight, a thief, a ninja, a monk, a black mage, a white mage, and a red mage. THAT's it... Any character can be put into these classes, a Dragoon you say, well that's just a fighter who uses spears, a summoner, well those are just really good black or white magic spells really, blue magic, again just different white and black magic, basically a red mage with it's own special magic. Samurai, no man, that's just a different type of knight. Ranger, that's kinda dumb, they're just a fighter attacking in the back row, I mean in FFVI anyone could be in the back row and attack long range.

    And as for all this unique stuff, those are just different types of fighters, or mages, I mean the characters that use terrain to attack, that's just a type of magic, I mean FFVI mog's dance were basically magic.
    SO there, that's what I think...

    you know what... I'll edit this to my way
    FF6-
    Terra - Knight/Black Mage... hmm how about Redmage
    Locke - Theif... agreed
    Edgar - Knight... definitely
    Sabin - Monk.... uhm yeah
    Celes - Knight/White Mage... again, red mage
    Shadow - Ninja.... yep
    Cyan - Samurai... no come on, he's a knight, the best knight in Doma
    Gau - Unique (Beast Mimic).... his "beast mimics" are just different magic or physical attack, so he's a red mage
    Setzer - Unique (Gambler)... just a different type of fighter
    Mog - Dragoon... no man, he's another kind of red mage
    Relm - Unique (Pictomancer).... hmmm, i think red mage, she actually did have the best magic atk in the game
    Strago - Blue Mage.... nope, definitely red mage
    Gogo - Unique (Mime).... no way man, he's just everything, i mean, he's like an FFV character, he can be whatever you want... wait, there were mimics in FFV, what the hell?
    Umaro - Unique (Berzerker)... just a fighter with a status effect

    FF7:
    Cloud: Knight
    Tifa: Monk
    Barret: Ranger... uhm, fighter
    Aeris: White Mage
    Red XIII: Unique (Beast)... another fighter
    Yuffie: Ninja/Theif
    Vincent: Ranger.... I think red mage cause of his limit breaks
    Cid: Dragoon... yet another fighter
    Cait Sith: Unique (Machine)... fighter

    FF8:
    Squall: Knight
    Zell: Monk
    Selphie: Ninja... sure I suppose
    Quistis: Blue Mage... red mage
    Irvine: Ranger... fighter
    Rinoa: White Mage/Ranger.... red mage, i mean she is a sorceress and her angel wings or whatever limit will cast ANYTHING
    Edea: Black Mage
    Seifer: Knight
    Laguna: Ranger... fighter
    Kiros: Monk/Theif... interesting, sure I'll go with it
    Ward: Dragoon... fighter

    FF9:
    Zidane: Theif
    Garnet: Summoner/White Mage... red mage anyone?
    Vivi: Black Mage
    Steiner: Knight
    Freya: Dragoon... fighter
    Eiko: White Mage/Summoner... another red mage
    Amarant: Monk/Ninja
    Quina: Blue Mage... argh, red mage
    Beatrix: Knight

    FFX:
    Tidus: Knight
    Rikku: Theif
    Yuna: White Mage/Summoner.... sheesh, RED
    Wakka: Ranger... fighter
    Lulu: Black Mage
    Kimahri: Blue Mage/Dragoon... another red mage
    Auron: Samurai/Knight... sorry, just a knight

    And for fun.. FFIV
    Cecil: Knight
    Kain: Dragoon... fighter
    Rosa: White Mage
    Rydia: Summoner/Black Mage... red mage, she did even use white earlier, if i remember correctly
    Edward: Unique (Bard)... fighter, a crappy one, but a fighter
    Yang: Monk
    Palom: Black Mage
    Porom: White Mage
    Cid: Ranger.... fighter
    Tellah: Black Mage/White Mage... a red mage
    FuSoYa: Black Mage/White Mage... the ultimate red mage
    Edge: Ninja


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    Oh Yeah here's my list for FFX and X-2
    Tidus:Warrior/time mage
    Yuna:summoner/white mage/gunner/dancer & singer/moogle
    Wakka:Gambler/Ranger
    Auron:Ummm I don't know, he has moves like steiner's
    Lulu:Black Mage
    Rikku:chemist/thief/cait sith
    Kimahri:dragoon/blue mage
    Paine:Warrior/tonberry
    Seymour:Summoner/white mage/ black mage
    Hey If you gave these people classes what would they be? K*L5
    Zaden Star: weilds a scissorblade, specials abilities are using wind magic and grenades

    Christina Bryant:weilds a rosewhip and a snake sword, uses white magic, summons SG's

    Mike Piatza:Weilds a samurai sword, special abilities the quickest character, throws ninja stars, and limit break uses a spinning wheel to choose a random attack.

    Sarina Torres:weilds broadswords and guns. Uses grenades and steals from enemirs

    Sersha:Is an oracle, she weilds magical tree branches and uses black magic.

    Justin Star:weilds a claw and uses small and giant ninja stars, likes to poison his enemies:

    Sasha:weilds a fan and a parasol, uses white magic, is an oracle.

    Cystrella: weilds a wrist statue/ uses dark magic and causes staus ailments to enemies/ is an undead girl.

    Krystal Kobal: Is a kelka, uses a lance, and that's about it.

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    Anyway, here is some references about jobs on various FF characters:

    http://www.ffcompendium.com/h/jobs.shtml

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    Hey you didn't answer my question!

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    That's probably because those aren't Final Fantasy characters. Stay on-topic, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
    you know what, I think there are only 8 classes, you heard me, eight, and they're all in FF1
    I think your wrong. You heard me. I think your wrong!!

    http://www.ffcompendium.com/h/jobs.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaos Prophecy.Crash..
    Quote Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
    you know what, I think there are only 8 classes, you heard me, eight, and they're all in FF1
    I think your wrong. You heard me. I think your wrong!!

    http://www.ffcompendium.com/h/jobs.shtml
    that's great but someone posted that exact same link two posts earlier... and just cause they list all these little jobs, doesn't mean they don't all come from those 8 basic jobs...

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    Oh now you explain it's 8 basic's. And someone already posted them?? Damn!!

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