Thoughts on this statement?

[rcabronx]

I don't agree with that statement. If people are too stupid to do or not do something, then they get to suffer the consequences. In that way, they can learn from their mistakes, and hopefully eventually develop a rudementary thought process. Forcing people to do the right thing (or, put more accurately, what one person's [such as your mother's] view of the right thing is) is evil. You don't have any right to cause harm to others just because they are total idiots. If people want to kill themselves by smoking, that's there perogative. Unless they try to force me to smoke, or stand close enough that I am forced to inhale secondhand smoke (after I have asked them politely to stop), I don't have a problem with them. People are free to do what they want. That's free will, and your mother needs to understand that it applies to everyone, not just her.

Oh, in response to the above post, if I was watching someone I cared about kill themselves through smoking, I would try to convince them to stop, but I wouldn't take physical action to prevent them, unless they acknowledged that it was killing them and admitted that they couldn't quit on their own, in which case I would offer whatever assisstance I could.

right on.

[bipper]

I don't agree with that statement. If people are too stupid to do or not do something, then they get to suffer the consequences.

I would agree with this, as on paper it looks fine. Other people suffer though because of the actions of one. Great if we let cocaine addicts run around the place it becomes a dangerous situation. We need to avoid that and illegalize the stuff. Same with guns.

As far as smoking, second hand smoke is a killer as well, drinking leads to trouble as well.

Thanks to those stupid people whom learn lessons (debatable) other innocense die or suffer at the fact that they just seen someone they care for died.

Either way, you take away the rights to control them, and you take the rights (and will) of those who are close to the person to protect them. You care for the person, and you may take away a few of thier abusable rights, but you protect thier life, and the well being of more citizens.

I really don't see a contest here. I do agree if the government thought we should eat healthier and outlawed tocco bell, I would definatley be posting in what is good about terroism (for a change) thread!
bipper

[Skyblade]

I don't agree with that statement. If people are too stupid to do or not do something, then they get to suffer the consequences.

I would agree with this, as on paper it looks fine. Other people suffer though because of the actions of one. Great if we let cocaine addicts run around the place it becomes a dangerous situation. We need to avoid that and illegalize the stuff. Same with guns.

Bipper

If you read my entire post, you would notice that I said that nothing should be done unless it endangers others.

And guns should stay legalized. Making guns illegal is stupid and will never work.

[Madame Adequate]

I don't agree with that statement. If people are too stupid to do or not do something, then they get to suffer the consequences.

I would agree with this, as on paper it looks fine. Other people suffer though because of the actions of one. Great if we let cocaine addicts run around the place it becomes a dangerous situation. We need to avoid that and illegalize the stuff. Same with guns.

Bipper

If you read my entire post, you would notice that I said that nothing should be done unless it endangers others.

And guns should stay legalized. Making guns illegal is stupid and will never work.

Hasn't worked, in fact, but that's for another thread.

Anyway, I must apologize to those who posted in this thread for not replying, as you see I was ousted from EotW due to a certain comment I made. Nevertheless, thank you for showing me that a fair number of you continue to believe in personal freedoms over state powers. I have faith in Humanity yet.

[bipper]

ACK!

If you read my entire post, you would notice that I said that nothing should be done unless it endangers others.

And guns should stay legalized. Making guns illegal is stupid and will never work.

Ack, sorry bout that Sky, I went off on a tangent again, and never noticed this thread grew. WhatI ment to get around to in my last thread is simply that since the simple actions of one, can effect so many, where would one draw the line?

Dint mean to be a bastage and just quote the first sentance, I really did read the whole thing!!
Bipper

[Traitorfish]

This is a tricky issue. Sure, you can't really order people to stop smoking, but you can point out how dangerous it is. What you can do, is stop tobbaco companies saying it's not harmful. Then people will realy just have to decide for themselves.
But I think smoking should be banned in certain public places. Smoking in your own home is fine, but you can't make other people breathe your smoke.

[Madame Adequate]

This is a tricky issue. Sure, you can't really order people to stop smoking, but you can point out how dangerous it is. What you can do, is stop tobbaco companies saying it's not harmful. Then people will realy just have to decide for themselves.
But I think smoking should be banned in certain public places. Smoking in your own home is fine, but you can't make other people breathe your smoke.

Yeah, I can see where you're coming from there. Believe me, I'm pro-Capitalism, I'm not pro-Corporate-lies.

I don't really like the idea of public property, but in my eyes private properties have the right to decide individually.

[bipper]

I think public property is important. Common ground, metepohrical or not, is important to maintain civil peace. To maintain civil peace is to maintain thier rights.

I do not really think that everyone should enjoy every luxury in thier house. Everyone having thier own pools and such, would be very strenuous on the enviroment, and everything else. Also, if not for public properties like roads and sidewalks, transportation across private land would lead to many problems.

I belive less in gluttons than sharing.

Bipper

[Gecki]

This is a tricky issue. Sure, you can't really order people to stop smoking, but you can point out how dangerous it is. What you can do, is stop tobbaco companies saying it's not harmful. Then people will realy just have to decide for themselves.
But I think smoking should be banned in certain public places. Smoking in your own home is fine, but you can't make other people breathe your smoke.

Yeah, I can see where you're coming from there. Believe me, I'm pro-Capitalism, I'm not pro-Corporate-lies.

I don't really like the idea of public property, but in my eyes private properties have the right to decide individually.

If people want to smoke,then fine. Personally I don't because death doesn't need to be rushed to my doorstep through tabacco. But what makes me sick is seeing pregnant ladies with a cancer stick hanging from their lips. I just wanna go up to them, slap them in the face and make them realize how important not smoking is to their health AND their future child's. It's just disgusting.
As long as you're not hurting others, then smoke all you want. Just let me say "I told you so" when your health starts to go downhill.