Terrorists........Kind ?

[Dreddz]

Ive heard from people that Terrorists are actually nice people, its just they need or want something. They dont want all these terrorist attacks, they just feel like they were mis treated. We had a long convo on this in R.S. They said they were just treated bad from Other states. I dont agree.
Take the Kenneth Bigley incident for example, as you all know, him Eugene Armstrong, and Jack sumin ( dont know his last name ). Were taken hostage, and were later beheaded, Kenneth was held longer, with them asking for UK to release there Women Prisinors ( sumin like that ). Tonys lack or reaction, resulted in Kenneth Bigley to as well be beheaded. Now, taking someone hostage isnt kind in the first place. And killing them , now thats just wrong. And I believe Kenneth was on a rebuilding project ( as again, now sure, but he wasnt a soldier ). And I believe Blair actually said he had no Prisinors.
I think terrorists are horrible, just mean people. They have no kindness in them, they just want to stick out like a sore thumb. And just tell everyone that they are just people asking for sumin in return, while they are actually just nasty pieces of work.

Thoughts ?

[jrgen]

They're just people. Calling terrorists good or evil would just be a stupid generalization, assuming there are such attributes.

[udsuna]

They believe their enemies are doing evil things (for the most part), and they fight the only way they know how. You can draw a LOT of conclusions about the nature of the terrorist in that, but you can't determine if they're good people.

Bin Laden, for example, is a great leader in most respects. Intelligent, a brilliant tactician and planner, strong charismatic ability. Despite being quite wealthy, he chose to fight *on the front lines* alongside his soldiers. Ate the same food, slept in the same dirt, risked death by the same bullets and bombs. Can you say that of about our leaders?

And on the other spectrum, we have our former ruler of Iraq. Sadam was a snivelling, pathetic little coward who came into power, not of his own skills, but of the privilege of birth and having the right contacts. Now, HE reminds me of the typical politicians.

[Old Manus]

I wouldn't call anybody who actively seeks to murder innocent people kind.

[DocFrance]

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't consider someone who intentionally targets and kills innocent civillians as anything remotely close to "kind."

EDIT: Quit reading my mind, Manus.

[Old Manus]

Great minds think alike.

[DocFrance]

True dat.

[herbie08]

I can't believe anyone could ever say terrorists were kind. I would like to take this small moment to point a small thing out to everyone

THEY KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE WITHOUT REGARD

I don't care if they 'think their enemies are evil.' That's no reason to kill innocent women and children. Or even innocent businessmen. And Bin Laden is not a great leader. He's just a fanatic with a lot of fanatic followers. As a military leader, he is a coward and a hypocrite. He tells other people to go kill themselves for the 'glory of Allah' and yet I don't think he's ever even left his little cave or even seen the devastation he has wrought. And as for our leaders, you can go up to any Marine Corps officer and see someone who will starve before letting his troops go without food, go days without sleep so his troops can sleep, and will take an RPG in the chest to save his Platoon. I know one in particular who did exactly that. His name was 2nd Lt. Blecksmith. He was a good leader, not some coward who sits in some cave and tells young men to strap bombs to their chests.

And why do they do it? For Allah? Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Islam an inherently peaceful religion? Does it say somewhere in their religion 'strap a bomb to your chest and blow up innocent people?' I don't think so, so don't even pull the whole religion card. I've never been one to say that someone deserves to die, I value life, but if anyone does deserve to die, it's terrorists.

[Kirobaito]

Dr. Frederick J. Hacker once characterized terrorists into three groups: Crusaders, Criminals, and Crazies. Crusaders fight (and kill innocent people) because they believe that they are doing it for a cause - freedom, liberation, acknowledgement, etc. Some might even call Al Qaeda a group of Crusaders. Criminals do it to make money - drug dealers, mafia members, that kind of thing. Crazies do it for a simple reason - they're mentally deranged people.

There are many types of terrorists, many different people. Their personalities obviously differ, and there could be many kind terrorists - they would almost all go under the 'Crusader' category. However, they still use violence to solve their problems and to cause havoc.

[War Angel]

Calling terrorists good or evil would just be a stupid generalization, assuming there are such attributes.

Oh yeah, I used to talk to some really nice baby-eaters, serial killers and rapists. Lovely people, really.

Seriously - what on the surface may resemble 'normal' or even 'nice' may be the exact opposite. I mean, Hitler was a vegeterian, never smoked, and was a gentleman, most of the time. A real 'nice guy', in all aspects, except those that actually count. You know, that whole world domination scheme and plotter of genocide sort of got in the middle.

So, yeah, Ossama bin Laden may be a great host and very polite (as many of his people are), but that still doesn't change the fact he's an innocent slayer.

So, yeah, in closing - evil. They're all freaking evil.

Sadam was a snivelling, pathetic little coward who came into power, not of his own skills, but of the privilege of birth and having the right contacts.

Not relevant, but still - Sadam was an extremely forceful and capable man, despite not being very intelligent. He rose to power using sheer power, and little more. He wasn't a man of words nor schemes. He wasn't of noble birth (quite the opposite), and certainly had no connections where it counts. He was a self-made man.

[Cloud No.9]

think about it this way. terrorists are engaged in total war. it may be a one sided total war but that is what they are engaged in.

we did it happily against the japanese and nazis. dresden in particular.

killing people kills tax payers, farmers, nurses, doctors, money makers. you wear down a country in that sense. everybody is supporting the country and so can be considered an enemy.

also we did it cos we believed that if you show them just how ty life can get and how bad things will be for them you can force them to surrender.

we forget we employed the same tactics back then. it is a legitimate tactic. but i don't agree with it.

mandella was a terrorist and won the nobel peace prize.

[War Angel]

You cannot engage in total war one-sidedly. You need two to tango. But you know what? If it's total war on their behalf, I wouldn't think too much of using a few atomic bombs on Muslim population. But wait, that's not very nice, now is it?

mandella was a terrorist and won the nobel peace prize.

And so did Yasser Arafat. The Nobel Award for Peace is a load of crock.

[Cloud No.9]

but we aren't at war with the muslim population. unless you want to commit religious genocide and fight a people based on their religion.

you can fight total-war one-sidededly. there's no real law against it. the rules of war are gone. it's not a fair fight but war never is.

i like the nobel peace prize. at the time ararfat deserved it.

[Teek]

Yes, I'm sure. Osama is a really loving individual.

Give me a smurfing break.

This is people taking some "nice" ideas and slanting them. It's a generally good thing to take a step back and not judge people without reason. I mean, for example, the person walking across the street who is to himself could be a really nice guy, so it'd be irrational for me to judge him as egotistical and narcissitic.

Sometimes, people make mistakes, and that's one thing. But it is a very good thing to judge people on their actions and words, when they are clear. If a person murders for fun or their God and then attempt to justify it, it's pretty ok to "judge" them as "wrong".

Sorry, kids, "right" and "wrong" are real, breathing concretes, regardless what your philosophy and sociology professors tried to teach you.

And SOME PEOPLE are just nuts, if they think a terrorist deserves an award. You have to question the soul who has no value of human life and would attempt to jusify that.

[Megalixir]

One man's terrorist is the next man's freedom fighter.