The best non-Square\Enix RPGs?
What are the better RPGs ever made that are not made by Square enix ? And by RPG I mean RPG, the strict genre, not any hybrids or action games with stories. There's the fairly well known and loved stuff, I think. But I for one liked the Breath of fire series. Just like FF, BOF had strong and weak in the series.
in my humble opinion BoFIII has to be one of my fave games of all time and proble Grandia 1 and 2 aswell and just for good measure id also say Tale's of Symphonia aswell.
Golden Sun.
As a side note, does "hybrids" include tactical-RPGs? Because many of these are RPGs in their own rights, merely with different battle modes.
Of courese, your definition of RPG as a game which plays a particular way is crap. While I agree that action games with stories mixed in aren't RPGs, FF gameplay does not an RPG make.
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LUNAR: Silver Star Story and LUNAR 2: Eternal Blue.
And the Breath of Fire series is well-known.
The first Lunar game is a better storytelling experience, but Lunar 2 is harder. Both are worth your time.
Breath of Fire 2 is the best game in the Breath of Fire series, and the third one is also pretty good. Those are the only two I'd personally recommend, though.
Never played a Suikoden game, but it has some crazy fans around here, so they're probably pretty good.
Xenosaga. Not for everyone, but I like it a lot.
Series:
Tales
Breath of Fire
Suikoden
Wild ARMs
Legend of Legaia
Lufia
Ys
I really enjoyed Thousand Arms as well... and if tactical RPGs count, then Fire Emblem and the Nippon Ichi games.
Oh, yeah, man. Thousand Arms is great.
Gruntia! Uh, I mean Grandia.
That had a novel approach to character development. I like games that let you chose how you level up your characters. And cool things to unlock whilst doing so.
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BOF is known, but not well loved, I wouldn't say. Doesn't compare with FF in this department. I agree about BOF3, that one is my fav in the series. That game sure had moments. Tales of Phantasia I also thought was pretty good.
I agree, which is why I define RPG by the general concensus that the least amont of people disagree with. So it's hard to really define in litigation material, but I think we all have the general idea of what RPG is. I didn't really mean the FF formula exclusively. That's probably the most popular in the west, but I then in Japan, Dragon Quest is much more popular. I'd say both of these apply as RPGs. And there's many others by other developers. Stuff like action-RPGs, you could argue on both sides. But then if you were to say Tekken games are RPGs because they have a story and you play a role, then no. I say as long as it can be argued credibly, it's an RPG. I think the biggest factor that makes something an RPG is having a lot, if not most, of the focus on increasing or development of character stats, and on story. Speaking of which, that's why World of Warcraft sucks, imo. It has no story, just random characters running around. But I don't consider those online games RPGs anyways. Not yet anyways, not until they make them better. Kind of like that anime show hack/.whateverAs a side note, does "hybrids" include tactical-RPGs? Because many of these are RPGs in their own rights, merely with different battle modes.
Of courese, your definition of RPG as a game which plays a particular way is crap. While I agree that action games with stories mixed in aren't RPGs, FF gameplay does not an RPG make.
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Breath of Fire
Grandia
Xenosaga.
Dark Chronicle......
.Hack series
Golden Sun series
Baten Kaitos
Tales of Symphonia
Shin Megami Tensei: Lucifer's Call
Legend of Legaia
Legend of Dragoon to a limted degree
Wild Arms
As i can see most of the answers were Japanese RPGs, so here are some american/english RPGs. I think that KOTOR is a great series and Fable and Jade Empire were also great RPGs. And definitly the Elders Scroll Series.
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Oh yeah I liked Golden sun too but I wouldnt consider Dark Chronicle... an RPG. Is more of a platformer or adventure game if you ask me.
Are you talking about video/computer RPGs only?
I once played Vampire: The Masquerade and quite enjoyed it.
My Cure spell brings all the boys to the yard,
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Damn right, it's better than yours!
I could Heal you, but I have to charge.
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