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    the blame game does help. responsibilty breeds change. if you can stand up and say this all went tits up because of this, this and him. then you can say this, this and this needs changing. now. to prevent this ever happening again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
    i got the impression that new orleans was hit by the hurricane. or may correctly the storm surge which broke the levvies.
    Katrina skimmed the Louisiana coast and hammered the Mississippi coast, leaving Biloxi and Gulf Port in pretty bad shape.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
    the blame game does help. responsibilty breeds change. if you can stand up and say this all went tits up because of this, this and him. then you can say this, this and this needs changing. now. to prevent this ever happening again.
    The problems arise when there is no one to blame. We live in a society where no one wants to be responsible yet wants everyone else to be responsible. I imagine it won't be long before someone (or someones) sue the state goverenment, federal government, etc... because they should have prevented their house being flooded. People act like they are due a perfect life with no problems and when problems arise they are due compensation. Ya know, what's why we have flood insurance. Can't afford flood insurance? Doubt it. Flood insurance is cheap, it's just that people won't make it a priority and now they're paying the price for that.

    This was an "Oh " natural disaster and people need to accept that and move on rather than try to blame others.
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    there are blames to be found here. no free evacuation in a disaster that affects everyone. ng priority of looters rather than rescue. poor levy maintenance. warming gulf. lack of food and water after the event. no coordination.

    and i don't know how it works in america but here if you live beside a floodable river then either the inusrance company will charge you masses for it or will laugh in your face.

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    I think people need to get up off their asses and help what's already happened rather than trying to blame people for the misfortune of others. You can sit around all day and shout "Oh we were warned we were warned and no one did anything!" but is that going to magically fix New Orleans and restore all those peoples' lives? No, it's just prolonging suffering and amplifying the pain that these people are going through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
    ng priority of looters rather than rescue
    Wrong. The NG ignored looters to rescue people. That's why there was so much looting. The NG had their hands tied because they were focused on rescuing people.

    I agree that this will help New Orleans build a better game plan in the future as far as how to evactuate and levy maintenance, I just hope that that blame doesn't make others try to blame someone as responsible for this, as everyone was under the impression that everything was taken care of and they were well prepared.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
    and i don't know how it works in america but here if you live beside a floodable river then either the inusrance company will charge you masses for it or will laugh in your face.
    Well New Orleans wasn't exactly considered built next to a floodable river although it seems that way now. The idea was that they levys, pumps and such were making it just like any other non-floodable area.

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    warming gulf
    I just wanted to point out that this is still a theory that is gaining more evidence every day, but it is still just a theory, not fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMKA
    I think people need to get up off their asses and help what's already happened rather than trying to blame people for the misfortune of others. You can sit around all day and shout "Oh we were warned we were warned and no one did anything!" but is that going to magically fix New Orleans and restore all those peoples' lives? No, it's just prolonging suffering and amplifying the pain that these people are going through.
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    explain to me what i'm supposed to do to help new orleans just now? and DMKA, rye and skyblade. i do take it you 3 are at home right now not doing anything to help these people either?

    new orleans is below sea level. and surrounded by water on 3 sides. you don't get much more floodable than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
    explain to me what i'm supposed to do to help new orleans just now? and DMKA, rye and skyblade. i do take it you 3 are at home right now not doing anything to help these people either?

    new orleans is below sea level. and surrounded by water on 3 sides. you don't get much more floodable than that.
    I'm donating money to every store with a can for it I see. My whole family is donating money to the cause as well. I'm 15. I can't exactly go drive to help people, but I'm doing what I can and not blaming everyone in my sight.


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    can i ask rye if you donated to sudan? niger? the cause in zimbabwe? ethiopia? rwanda? uganda?

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    No, actually. But I have donated $25 to Cancer Research not long ago. It feels nice to help. I'm only 15 and I don't have a job.


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    Here's a better question. Have you?

    I think Moore exaggerates to make his point. Sure, as much as we hate every little thing being turned into a political issue, it almost has to be because all of our representatives are ever-seeking of their constituent's vote for the next election. They can't be invisible, you know.

    The blame game, as it were, may not be entirely prudent right now, but I guess it has to start sooner or later. I don't necessarily agree with Moore, but more should've been done to prevent this from happening.

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    I'm tired of everyone ragging about poorly this was handled in hindsight. I'm not a Bush person but when you follow the events you see that it was handled properly and only in hindsight was any of the planning wrong.
    I can't help but compare this with the constant construction up in the San Francisco Bay Area. They know that, sooner or later, "the big one" is going to hit, and the state has been spending millions of dollars a year retrofitting buildings and bridges and the like to be prepared for that magnitude of a disaster. So far as I've heard, they neglected to keep the levies in top shape and paid the price for it.

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    so why is new orleans in more requirement of your help than 3 million in niger? the refugees from genocide in rwanda, uganda and sudan? the government enforced starvation in zimbabwe? 30,000 children a day in africa in general even.

    because this storm catches the headlines. the people crying you can understand. they could have been your next door neighbour. you feel closer to them in that way. aside from the fact that there are greater disasters this very second this will catch the headlines first. and the headlines are what you donate money to. this tragedy as it is is pushed and pushed and pushed on the first item of the news and the headline of the paper day after day until you feel compelled to act.

    it's not acting out of compassion for human suffering otherwise the niger crisis never would have happened. it is acting in the interest of what you are told to care about. and there lies the great problem.

    i don't judge you for not giving to charity. i never will. but don't wear it like a badge of honour when you do.

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    Proximity. That's just humanism, really.

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    it's not just about proximity. i live across the ocean here and it has been headlines for the last week and first news report also.

    it' not geographical proximity. but cultural.

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