if we stayed neutral

[Cloud No.9]

what would have happened if we never intervened in the german invasion of france and belgium in 1914?

would the russian revolution happen? would germany have sought to conquer it or just to remove it from opposition in the schliefien plan?

would hitler have retired a war hero and never kicked off about the jews? the hyperinflation of the german people (and france when conquered) would never have happened?

wouls britain have been better or worse? better for not having two world wars. or worse for having a massive germany across the border?

[udsuna]

Well, Germany probably never would have held to all that territory. It wasn't exactly the starter of that conflict, one of its allies was. No doubt it would have held Austria, and also shared the territory between itself and Russia. Probably wouldn't have expanded much beyond that. Romania, it would probably have taken. Some tiny bit of the middle east.

I guarantee you that WW2 would have been a VERY different situation. Hitler never would have risen to power, because Germany wouldn't have needed such a warmongering leader. The USA wouldn't have built such a powerful military force. We'd probably still be using prop. planes as fighters.

[gokufusionss1]

i assume that germany would of enveloped the crumbiling austrian hungarian empire and rolled into france while also pushing east, a similiar siutation to the napoleonic wars. No Cold war, no american superpower either.
But honestly, what's the point.

[Lionx]

no american superpower either.

Thats enough for me D:

[Shoeberto]

no american superpower either.

Thats enough for me D:

Even though I'm an American, I have to say I agree with this. The less limelight we get the less trouble we get ourselves into. It'd be nice not constantly being under attack for our core government beliefs and being just another nation in the world.

Just a question, where would the Great Depression have fallen into all of this? I don't remember it's exact causes...did World War I have a major effect on it? I'm wondering what would have happened if this alternate timeline you mentioned happened - would the effects of the Depression be felt more, or would it not have happened at all?

[Hawkeye]

Well, Germany probably never would have held to all that territory. It wasn't exactly the starter of that conflict, one of its allies was

Hitler wanted all of the territory because of his idealogoy of the mother country of Austria-Germany in his book, Mein Kampf. He went into detail about doing all of this in prison, got out, tried to start a revolution, failed, and started major propaganda.

Without Hitler, the Nazi movement wouldnt have gotten into power

[Hawkeye]

eek! sorry for double post.

Just a question, where would the Great Depression have fallen into all of this? I don't remember it's exact causes...did World War I have a major effect on it? I'm wondering what would have happened if this alternate timeline you mentioned happened - would the effects of the Depression be felt more, or would it not have happened at all?

After WWI, because after the war, unlike the USA's allies, the stock market went in an immedaiate boom. Industires were procducing more goods and people were getting higher wages. But even though the market was in its bull session, the economy had underlying weaknesses. Farmers in particular, because of the low farm prices. Some people did not get higher wages, even though goods were growing and costing more. Those who couldnt afford didnt buy. Slowly this created slow demand and overproduction to the Great Depression.
Eventually, this led people to call in loans, and when people couldnt be able to pay back the loands, finacial panic came. Stock tumbled, and it came into debt with many investors, causing the Great Despression

[DeBlayde]

the economic downturn of the Great Depression was coupled with a very very bad drought in the Midwest where the majority of the food for the nation was grown or ranched. This decrease in supply led to the Grapes of Wrath type scenes we're all familiar with from this time period.

As for World War II, I doubt it would have happened the way it did. Germany's immense war debt from WWI directly led to the rise of the Nazi Party. For as bad as they were, the Nazi's did good for Germany and most Germans. They turned around the economic depression they were suffering from and provided food and clothing for people who didn't have it. I've even heard a seminar from a Jewish survivor of Auschwitz who specifically said, "Hitler did a lot of good for Germany and Germans." He also pointed out that it was Hitler's lieutenants who came up with the idea of mass slaughtering of human beings, not Hitler himself.

But Hitler was evil and I'll specifically go out of my way to dance and then pee on his grave if I ever get the chance to visit Germany.

[bipper]

eek! sorry for double post.

Just a question, where would the Great Depression have fallen into all of this? I don't remember it's exact causes...did World War I have a major effect on it? I'm wondering what would have happened if this alternate timeline you mentioned happened - would the effects of the Depression be felt more, or would it not have happened at all?

After WWI, because after the war, unlike the USA's allies, the stock market went in an immedaiate boom. Industires were procducing more goods and people were getting higher wages. But even though the market was in its bull session, the economy had underlying weaknesses. Farmers in particular, because of the low farm prices. Some people did not get higher wages, even though goods were growing and costing more. Those who couldnt afford didnt buy. Slowly this created slow demand and overproduction to the Great Depression.
Eventually, this led people to call in loans, and when people couldnt be able to pay back the loands, finacial panic came. Stock tumbled, and it came into debt with many investors, causing the Great Despression

The Great Depression began in 1929 when the entire world suffered an enormous drop in output and an unprecedented rise in unemployment. World economic output continued to decline until 1932 when it clinked bottom at 50% of its 1929 level. There was a Stock market crash (Black Monday) and this cause many a bank to go bankrupt. Back then, they had no FDAA insuring bank accounts (now if this happend we would be insured 100k per account - supposedly). So people just lost thier money they had in the bank.

This caused less spending at the lowerlevels, which caused vast losses at the high (er income) level. The effect was worsened when the manufacturors at the time would not lower thier prices, or take cuts at the top (Same thing happens to day - corprate scum). Firing workers cause morale, and productivity loss, untill we finally collapsed at 1932.

I must say, it was an amazing recovery though! No thanks to hoover

Bipper

[Teek]

Does Hitler even have a grave in Germany?

[bipper]

His body was burned in the bunker (SPOILER)he shot himself in. His ashes were burried in a the bunker's garden.

Thats all I know. It was rumored on the history chanel (one of them wierd history conspiracy shows) that russion troops found a jawbone, and somthing else (can;t remmeber), but they said that has not been confirmed? Sorry the details are fough, I seen this sho 7 years ago when I was a sophmore

Bipper

[Channing]

Well Germany certainly would have resumed it's powerful state. Back in history the preset for a military Holy Roman Empire was held within Prussia. A massive army and land held in the strongest league of the Pentarchy which was a group of 5 country's. Britain, Prussia, Russia and I forgot the others but it certainly made Germany such a powerful state. (Or loose divisions back then.)

I'm almost positive Germany would have prevailed. They made a mistake taking Austria because they figured with a female ruler it'd be easy to convince and manipulate her breaking the stronghold. Only a portion was taken. And over time think about it. Within 40 years each prince was taking power, that's nearly 80,000 troops each semester of rule. Take 30,000 of those to be the king's personal guard and you have what... 50,000 added on for each ruling. All the way to present times the German army indeed was very strong. And continue to rule Europe.

Hitler made a fatal mistake within a 3 hour period of not moving in the Panzer's. That would have definitely made them victorious. I just personally believe Germany would prevail being a nation founded on warfare and military. And if you look back in time almost everything was controlled by an army. Even back in the beginning of times it was such a large influence that it went from mercenary warfare to a complete standing professional army passed down from king to prince, and so on. (:

Concerning America. I highly doubt back then it'd be able to handle outside influence. The fact that even the most vague history of the civil war took place explains that we had our own problems. A nation trying to divide itself over the founding principals. Obviously slavery was not apart of those founding principals therefore the Americans slaughtered each other. Now being so early in time and that event causing unrest across the land. The European nations already having centuries of experience in military would have crushed America. ):

Just my view from the studies I've taken. :3 (Amer His II honors/Western Civ II Honors --College)

[Cloud No.9]

the thing about hitler's body.

it would be foolish to assume nothing but ashes remained. that's not even true of modern intense heat cremations letsalone a bit of petrol in a bunker. it is now in the kremlim archive.

[bipper]

I only go thalf of what you saying. I just am reporting what I got of the history chanel from some time ago. I belived this to be true. What, may I ask, is the Kremlin Archive?

I am pretty sure that some sort of structure survived, but its a matter of where they are. /shrug

Bipper

[jrgen]

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