Though the US' actions were both reprehensible and, in hindsight, incredibly stupid, there's little comparison between 3,100 deaths in 17 years, and 3,100 deaths in 4 hours.Originally Posted by Quoter
Sept 11th also stands for another terrorist attack in which Pinochet overthrew Allende's democratic elected government in a US backed military coup that installed a fascist regime which lasted for 17 years and ended with 3,197 people getting tortured and murdered
Why? Are you saying the suffering of those in Chile are less than those in America simply because they all died on the same day? Extended suffering is as bad. Ask families of cancer victims.Though the US' actions were both reprehensible and, in hindsight, incredibly stupid, there's little comparison between 3,100 deaths in 17 years, and 3,100 deaths in 4 hours.Sept 11th also stands for another terrorist attack in which Pinochet overthrew Allende's democratic elected government in a US backed military coup that installed a fascist regime which lasted for 17 years and ended with 3,197 people getting tortured and murdered
We have lost over 3,000 lives in this small country in over 30 years. Your one attack is worse than this? Please explain yourself.
Somehow, I think the dead would disagree. Besides, we Americans still have the standing world record for "most killed in least amount of time". Atomic weaponry is really good in that competition.
EDIT: to MILF. Cuch's post wasn't there when I posted.
And we've lost 6,000,000 in 6 years, and then entire percentages of our population in the following 56 years. Wanna compete?We have lost over 3,000 lives in this small country in over 30 years.
Seriously, this is stupid. This thread is about those that were killed in the attack on the World Trade Center, not those that were killed under Pinochet's regime, or any other tyrant\terrorist\mass-murderer.
When fighting monsters, be wary not to become one yourself... when gazing into the abyss, bear in mind that the abyss also gazes into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
The rightful owner of this Ciddie can kiss my arse! :P
We as in who? Jews or Israelis? The only person competing here is you, I was making a RESPONSE to a point. I have not segregated the deaths by 'sides' or 'religion' like you are, so how I'm 'competing' I'll never know.
This thread expanded before my post, perhaps quote them with your little response and not I?
Interesting you quote only your own Jewish losses in both the War and the Near East conflict. Says a lot.
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You mistake my case. A single attack which caused 3000 deaths is an event of just as much significance as the terrorists wanted it to be (Although they probably didn't get the message they wanted across.). 3000 deaths spread over 17 years is not an attack of the same kind. Still horrific, and still wrong, but not the same thing and not comparable. So yes, I am saying exactly that the suffering of those in Chile is less than in the US, and for exactly the reason you suggest. There's no shock in a facist regime killing people, and no problems figuring out why the government is killing. The shock and apparent senselessness of 9/11 caused additional grief.Why? Are you saying the suffering of those in Chile are less than those in America simply because they all died on the same day? Extended suffering is as bad. Ask families of cancer victims.Though the US' actions were both reprehensible and, in hindsight, incredibly stupid, there's little comparison between 3,100 deaths in 17 years, and 3,100 deaths in 4 hours.Sept 11th also stands for another terrorist attack in which Pinochet overthrew Allende's democratic elected government in a US backed military coup that installed a fascist regime which lasted for 17 years and ended with 3,197 people getting tortured and murdered
We have lost over 3,000 lives in this small country in over 30 years. Your one attack is worse than this? Please explain yourself.
(Note: The US might have supported various regimes, but the fact is other people were pulling the triggers. You can't blame David Blaine if someone sits in a box until they die, not even if he gave them the box. They chose to climb in.)
The shock is more apparent, but the tragedy is equal. The suffering is no less. Living years of fear and death is far worse for a population, and indeed the human psyche than one single attack. Numerous nations have went through years of it, the US had one major incident. Not to belittle that tragedy, America has got off lightly with homeland conflicts over the last hundred years. To say the tragedy of Chile or even Northern Ireland is LESS is an insult and severely deluded. I'm not sure if that's what you mean and I severely I hope it isn't.
6,000,000 in 6 years? i thought it would a. either be longer and taken from the day of krystalnacht and the true oppression of the news. or much shorter and limited purely to the wannassee conference and the final solution.
there is of course a faster and more brutal tragedy. 1 million in a hundred days committed purely with machetes in rwanda.
and 50,000 people a day in africa dying purely of starvation.
and dresden and the atomic bombs.
but back to the point.
9-11 was coming. it had been aggravated to the point to which it was unavoidable. and a repeat of it is inevitable.
remember 9-11 wasn't a new thing for al-qaeda. they always had in mind massive attacks. the african embassy bombings. and the original wtc attacks. the idea behind that was in fact to knock one tower into the other like a domino.
and they'll try again. and will probably succeed.
You say that Cloud, and then you wonder about our retaliation and fear of terrorists?! I am confused.
retaliation? against who? iraq? the children and the blind and the crippled in camp x-ray. the men that are tortured in this retiliation?
afghanistan i can understand but nothing else.
That is what I was refearing too. WE obviously don't want them to try again. Can you really blame us? The terrorists were not sanctioned by Afghanistan, but a self orginised called 'al qaeda'. Now, obviosuly there were other things on Bush's plate, and he evidently desided that using there terrist terror, and the WMD, that we would attack Iraq. There are obviously a million other reasons, but we should not of just attacked Afghanistan just because Osama sent us a love note from that address...
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