Originally Posted by G SpOtZ
I dont see why people hate her, I bit too optimistic, but thats not that bad.....
I liked her. Her persons was good and she was a very pwerful fighter too.
Treating other people cruelly and flirting opening in front of them is not fair. When someone does it to you, see how fair it feels. It isnt fair, it isnt nice. If you think she's still a good person, fine, but I certainly dont.
i din't like her because i like to rely on physical attacks in battle (this helps as u have lots of MP when it is essential to use magic. and as a physical fighter, she was pants. Her limits were good but not worth the effort needed to get them
Why do you imprison your saviour?
Perhaps Aeris was too pure to have grown up in the slums...I have to admit she was much less harmless than I was thinking before I played the game.
I don't see why anyone could hate her i mean come on look at her limit breack healing wind usefull so i think it is a sham that she has to die
For whatever reason; Aeris tends to be an extremely polarizing character among the FF community at large; this is further compounded by the fact that both her fans and her detractors are often fairly vociferous as regards Aeris' character.
In any case, it seems that the most people that dislike Aeris fall into three broad categories. These are admittedly generalizations, but they cover most aspects of the debate.
The first category includes people that dislike Aeris based on her ostensible lack of utility in battle. This category itself divides into two subgroups; people that think her magical inclination/relative physical limitations make her a bad character (in terms of gameplay), and those who dislike her for her death, as this effectively renders all statistical development with Aeris pointless.
The first argument has more to do with style of gameplay than anything else, although judgment of Aeris in this way is usually misplaced. While her Strength growth curve is the lowest of any party member, and her Vitality and HP growth curves are significantly below average, her MP, Magic, and Spirit curves are by far the highest of any character. Her Dexterity and Luck growth are average. However, all statisitical variation is relatively meaningless in FFVII; there's never a huge difference, and anyone can be turned into a statistical powerhouse via Sources. Aeris leaves the party before Morph can be effectively turned to the purpose, of course, but at the time she leaves no one can derive these advantages.
The best way to evaluate a character in battle, really, is based on Limit Breaks. This can, depending on how you play, petrify your opinion of Aeris in battle. Given that her Breaks are all healing/defensive/indirect, as opposed to damaging, interpretation of Aeris can and will vary. Had Aeris survived, however, Great Gospel would have been almost undeniably the best Limit; it would have, really, unbalanced the already easy gameplay even more. Still, considering that most consider it a burden to level up Aeris' Limits/acquire Great Gospel while she's with the party, this isn't a necessarily significant factor.
My point here is that actually disliking a character based on battle doesn't really make a great deal of sense. As to her death ruining her development, just use her as desired.
The second category lays the only real claim anyone should have with regards to disliking a character (unless there's a character who really does suck compared to everyone else in battle). In this case, aspects of Aeris' personality, and interpretation of her character as regards the story, can lead people down wholly different paths as far as opinion goes.
Aeris' detractors in the area of character tend to point to several different developments and facets of personality. The one I find most relevant is her supposed cruelty to Tifa; there's no denying, after all, that she flirts incessantly with Cloud, undoubtedly aware of Tifa's feelings. I personally differ with many people on this score; however, I can certainly appreciate their point of view. While I don't feel that Aeris' actions regarding Cloud were meant to hurt Tifa, I can certainly see why somebody could hold a different opinion here.
The other character criticisms are somewhat undone by inconsistency; it's amazing how many people criticize her for being "quiet" and "subdued." While anyone can really attack any character trait (some people, for example, might be turned off by Aeris' optimism), this argument is flawed simply because Aeris did not display those traits.
I would thusly consider the "cruel to Tifa/flirting with Cloud" angle to be the primary relevant criticism, although (as I said) I don't necessarily see it that way myself.
The final group is basically the people that have jumped on the "I hate Aeris" bandwagon. People like these are inevitable; you'll also find no dearth of "FFVII fanboys/girls for no reason," "FFVII haters for no reason," "FF classic fanboys for no reason," and so on. That's not to say anything as regards other characters and titles, either positively or negatively; I merely suggest that there are many that have no reason to hold their views or are incapable of articulating why they hold them.
Aeris' fans probably fall into a larger number of groups, although they can generally be patterned after the same groups as the detractors. I won't go into greatdetail here, as the thread revolves around why people dislike Aeris, but her battle utility is a two-edged sword. The more magically inclined will certainly find her useful, although (as I said earlier) statistical variance generally balances out.
Aeris' fans, regarding character, are generally laudatory as regards her sacrifices, her general cheerfulness/optimism/trying to keep characters up, and her resolve regarding events at large as the game unfolds.
Like the detractors, there are also "bandwagon Aeris fans."
For myself, I've always liked Aeris' character. Strangely, I've always been a fan of Tifa as well; the two, along with Rydia, are probably my three favorite playable females in the series.
never really thought of that. but still...
she simply sux.
Thank you Hysterian!
:<3: Masamune
Though you bring up a point. When FF7 first released... for like a year or more the fans were rabid, and it was like you had to choose just ONE female in there to like, and it was always a horrid debate between Tifa and Aeris. Like you wouldn't be allowed to like both. I'm with you though. Why not like both? They're both nice and have plenty of personality when contrasted with other certain characters in the party (*coughvincentcough* ;P Yeah, I know, he was meant to be that way, and I have nothing against him for it) But yeah. I defend Aeris, but I'm not exclusively in her fanboy group. I like Tifa too. But people only ever hate her because she has big boobs. For the most part she's tolerated or well loved. She doesn't need defending. So I know I certainly look like an Aeris fanboy. I just don't see anything wrong with her. Personally or plotwise. Though I can understand people not wanting anything to do with her because she dies.
Wait a minute... could Tifa have hooked up with Vincent Valentine?
If you love someone, you do what's best for them, not what's best for you. Tifa cared about Cloud, but was quite aware that now was not the best time to tell him given the events going on and the fact that Cloud wasnt even in his right mind. Tifa was willing to step aside and let Aerith have Cloud, not for herself, not for Aerith, but for Cloud. That doesnt neccesarily mean Aerith would have made Cloud happy, or even that Tifa would. That lies on Cloud's end, and Tifa was willing to let Cloud make that decision for himself.
And that quote shows what? That Tifa denies her feelings for him because she's shy? Yep. Good job there.
Aerith's cruelty is cruel, whether she knew she was about to die or not. I hate people like that, so naturally I strongly dislike Aerith.
edit: Oh, and before anyone gets rabid on me... I just dont like her, and these are of course my opinions. Im not a rabid Tifa fan, and I really dont care who Cloud winds up with.
Last edited by TheAbominatrix; 09-13-2005 at 04:35 AM.
I love Aeris the most out of all the others simply because she's the "healer" character. My favourite characters in all the Final Fantasy games are those with proficiency with restorative magic. And unlike the earlier FF games Aeris can also hold her own in battle when needed.
As for her cheerfulness/optimism she just can't compare to Rikku from FFX-2 or Selphie from FFVIII...
My Cure spell brings all the boys to the yard,
And they're like: "It's better than yours."
Damn right, it's better than yours!
I could Heal you, but I have to charge.
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