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    by refusing to by american and eu products where possible and opting for fairly traded foods and goods you can make a difference.

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    The sickening thing is that it actually is in there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Article 22
    Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
    That's disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raistlin
    The sickening thing is that it actually is in there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Article 22
    Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
    That's disgusting.
    It's disgusting if you think that it's fair to abandon people just because it's too much hassle to take care of them.
    Besides, collapse of the Social Security sytem, and the eventual collapse of societey, is an inevitable result of western capitalism. Ho hum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
    by refusing to by american and eu products where possible and opting for fairly traded foods and goods you can make a difference.
    And you have proof that we don't opt for third-world produced products where available from which source?

    It's disgusting if you think that it's fair to abandon people just because it's too much hassle to take care of them.
    Besides, collapse of the Social Security sytem, and the eventual collapse of societey, is an inevitable result of western capitalism. Ho hum.
    Nothing to do with hassle. It's disgusting to force anyone to take any action for or against any other person. Yes, letting people die or suffer is wrong. Encroaching on freedom is a far greater evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
    Nothing to do with hassle. It's disgusting to force anyone to take any action for or against any other person. Yes, letting people die or suffer is wrong. Encroaching on freedom is a far greater evil.
    How is abandoning each other 'freedom'? That crosses the line from 'freedom' into pure greed. Of course, freedom is important, but you have a responsibility to others, and anyone who can't see that isn't really mature or responsible enough to deserve that freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traitorfish
    How is abandoning each other 'freedom'? That crosses the line from 'freedom' into pure greed. Of course, freedom is important, but you have a responsibility to others, and anyone who can't see that isn't really mature or responsible enough to deserve that freedom.
    No. Freedom is the sole and ultimate right of every sentient being in the universe. There is nothing higher. Not even a God, if you believe in one, is more important than the sentience which allows said deity to be duly appreciated.

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    yeah disgusting we don't let people starve. truly horrifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
    yeah disgusting we don't let people starve. truly horrifying.
    At the expense of personal freedom? Yes it is.

    Edit: I don't know what you're arguing about. Your posts in the torture thread clearly show that you also place ideals above life.

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    so we would rather people starve than pay those few extra cents in the dollar? what is personal freedom? the freedom to oppress and starve? the freedom to watch other people suffer while we life in luxury?

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    Uh, no, the freedom to live based on your own ability, which is something I strongly advocate.

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    I wonder if Cloud Number Nine even works, and if he does, if he pays taxes. It's when they take more than half of what you make, that you get pissed.
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    What's creepy is it probably doesn't bother him that the mob in charge is taking from him. He probaly thinks its his noble cause or duty or something, and that he's doing his share for a proletarian world.

    Income taxes...argh. There are so many wrong things in the world.n

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    You know, a small tax I wouldn't mind. But when you work your arse off, earn some money, and they take 56% of it, to support lazy-arse bastards that don't work, fund all kinds of stupid projects, etc... that is seriously wrong.

    Supporting old people, cripples and other 'it's not their fault they can't work' people is the only thing I could go for. And even that, with measure. You have to work for your pension. If you're lazy as a young man\woman, you'll be a poor old man\woman too. Seems right to me.
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    yes i do work. and yes i did pay taxes (i now get it refunded as i am a student). if you remember correctly we went into this topic when i said i gave 10% of my earnings to charity.

    and yeah i am doing my share. the nhs which i pay for saved my life. i was taught in the schools it paid for, received the dental and eye care it paid for, am going to the uni it paid for, and i'll receive the state pension it paid for too.

    yes right now i am taking more than i am given. but once i have a job gave by the health care and education i receieved i will pay it back. few people make any real money out of dole scrunging. it's not the no.1 choice of profession.

    in britain according to the latest figure which were in septemober 4.7% of people were unemployed. once we take out the disabled, sick, injured. then take out people out of work due to redundancy and we are left with a very small number. is this what we whine about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
    and yeah i am doing my share. the nhs which i pay for saved my life. i was taught in the schools it paid for, received the dental and eye care it paid for, am going to the uni it paid for, and i'll receive the state pension it paid for too.
    Really? You don't have to pay ANY tuition fees? Well damn, I'll have to look up your uni, that'd suit me just fine. And free dental? Free eyecare? Yeah, I'm thinking I need to get in on your racket.

    in britain according to the latest figure which were in septemober 4.7% of people were unemployed. once we take out the disabled, sick, injured. then take out people out of work due to redundancy and we are left with a very small number. is this what we whine about?
    And you actually believe the government on the matter? I'm surprised. By the way, the disabled and injured are already not counted in unemployment figures. Neither are those in university.

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