Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch
Quote Originally Posted by RPJesus
I wasn't criticising the people in the military, I was critiscising the idea of training people to kill. That kind of stupidity just ends up with a mess. Look at McVeigh...
It's stupidity to train people to kill? And the better idea would be to sit back and do nothing when we're attacked or invaded? Yes, look at McVeigh. Millions of Soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines have cycled through our military, and one did something very bad. Look at Mr. Rogers -- he was a Marine sniper, had more confirmed kills than anybody else in Vietnam, and the second most in Marine history. Or look at lee Harvey Oswald -- He was a Marine. So was the kid in Texas who decided to take a rifle to the top of one of the university towers and start picking people off, late 60's I believe. What's that prove? It may prove...what, that some people are dangerous? No [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]. Would you rather train a few people that might possibly become dangerous at some point in their future, or go without a trained military and have absolutely no defenses? In fact, nevermind, I don't think I want to hear your answer to that. Do a couple bad Catholic priests "prove" that all organized religion is wrong? What about Boy Scouts that grow up to do bad things, should we shut them down too?
Firstly, those people where capable of commiting the crimes that they did, because the military trained them not only how to kill, but also that it's justifiable to kill. Secondly, when was the last time that the US military was involved in a defensive war? 1776! Even in the Civil War, that was just two parts of the military fighting each other.

Anyway, many people do join the military because they can't find work. Maybe not everywhere, but in many places. Like Flint, Michingan. Watch Farenheight 911, that explains it.
Don't tell me you're trying to base your side of a debate off a propaganda film by a known socialist. Please tell me you're smarter than that. Please.
'Known socialist'? Who the hell are you, MacArthur? Why does being a socialist stop his views from counting? And anyway, if you hate propaganda, how come you were brainwashed into joining the army, the #1 propaganda machine since the USSR?
And why are socialists dumber than anyone else? Frankly, some of your writing sounds like a paraphrase of 'Mein Kampf'!

Though some will take it seriously, yes. And the republicans? it's what they make of it. Good fun shooting foreiners, I suppose that's what they consider it to be.
Though this doesn't even dignify a response, I will politely say that it's completely...misguided...to label Republicans* as people who think it's "good fun to shoot foreigners". Maybe somebody's responsibility to protect and defend America, which might happen to include combat with "foreigners". It's fun to shoot some of them, sure, but that's because of what they do, not because they're not American.

*(By the way. Republican = One who supports the Republican party, the GOP. republican = One who supports a republic, which is the current form of America's government. Just like a democrat would be a supporter of democracy, but a Democrat would be a supporter of the Democratic party.)
This just shows the stupidity and hippocracy of US politics- two parties with names which are identical in meaning. both are just capitalistic, nationalist idiots, anyway.
And 'It's fun to shoot some of them, sure...'. WTF? You sick freak! Even if that was a joke, you are still a sicko! Your either a homicidal maniac or a fascist! Or just someone with a sick sense of humour... Just because their 'bad' (in Bush's opinion, 'bad' = Muslim/ Socialist/ Black) doesn't justify murder. And what about all the evil freaks that the US military has supported? Like Batista, or the South Vietnamese government?

And it's not like playing a game. There would be aliens or nasis or space-mutants or alien-nasi-space-mutants. These are real people and I of course realise this.
Do you realize it? So does every Soldier, sailor, airman, and Marine. you're the one who tries to make it out like we think it's some sort of fun game. We know better, and 99.9% of the time, we don't like seeing combat.
Why do join then? To 'protect democracy'? Then your just a sucker...
If you want to do the dirty work of some rich fascist in Washington and pretend you're 'fighting for freedom' then that's your problem. The rest of us shouldn't have to support it.