In a perfect world, we wouldn't have to pay taxes that support anything we don't like. I'm not a big supporter of the welfare program, so that would save me money. Social Security would save me a lot of money, as would taking my taxes out of everything else I don't use or don't want. And the draft is only a scare tactic now, it's not going to happen -- frankly, I'm glad, because I wouldn't want most young male Americans beside me with a weapon.
Firstly, those people where capable of commiting the crimes that they did, because the military trained them not only how to kill, but also that it's justifiable to kill. Secondly, when was the last time that the US military was involved in a defensive war? 1776! Even in the Civil War, that was just two parts of the military fighting each other.Originally Posted by Sasquatch
It's stupidity to train people to kill? And the better idea would be to sit back and do nothing when we're attacked or invaded? Yes, look at McVeigh. Millions of Soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines have cycled through our military, and one did something very bad. Look at Mr. Rogers -- he was a Marine sniper, had more confirmed kills than anybody else in Vietnam, and the second most in Marine history. Or look at lee Harvey Oswald -- He was a Marine. So was the kid in Texas who decided to take a rifle to the top of one of the university towers and start picking people off, late 60's I believe. What's that prove? It may prove...what, that some people are dangerous? No [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]. Would you rather train a few people that might possibly become dangerous at some point in their future, or go without a trained military and have absolutely no defenses? In fact, nevermind, I don't think I want to hear your answer to that. Do a couple bad Catholic priests "prove" that all organized religion is wrong? What about Boy Scouts that grow up to do bad things, should we shut them down too?
'Known socialist'? Who the hell are you, MacArthur? Why does being a socialist stop his views from counting? And anyway, if you hate propaganda, how come you were brainwashed into joining the army, the #1 propaganda machine since the USSR?Don't tell me you're trying to base your side of a debate off a propaganda film by a known socialist. Please tell me you're smarter than that. Please.Anyway, many people do join the military because they can't find work. Maybe not everywhere, but in many places. Like Flint, Michingan. Watch Farenheight 911, that explains it.
And why are socialists dumber than anyone else? Frankly, some of your writing sounds like a paraphrase of 'Mein Kampf'!
This just shows the stupidity and hippocracy of US politics- two parties with names which are identical in meaning. both are just capitalistic, nationalist idiots, anyway.Though this doesn't even dignify a response, I will politely say that it's completely...misguided...to label Republicans* as people who think it's "good fun to shoot foreigners". Maybe somebody's responsibility to protect and defend America, which might happen to include combat with "foreigners". It's fun to shoot some of them, sure, but that's because of what they do, not because they're not American.Though some will take it seriously, yes. And the republicans? it's what they make of it. Good fun shooting foreiners, I suppose that's what they consider it to be.
*(By the way. Republican = One who supports the Republican party, the GOP. republican = One who supports a republic, which is the current form of America's government. Just like a democrat would be a supporter of democracy, but a Democrat would be a supporter of the Democratic party.)
And 'It's fun to shoot some of them, sure...'. WTF? You sick freak! Even if that was a joke, you are still a sicko! Your either a homicidal maniac or a fascist! Or just someone with a sick sense of humour... Just because their 'bad' (in Bush's opinion, 'bad' = Muslim/ Socialist/ Black) doesn't justify murder. And what about all the evil freaks that the US military has supported? Like Batista, or the South Vietnamese government?
Why do join then? To 'protect democracy'? Then your just a sucker...Do you realize it? So does every Soldier, sailor, airman, and Marine. you're the one who tries to make it out like we think it's some sort of fun game. We know better, and 99.9% of the time, we don't like seeing combat.And it's not like playing a game. There would be aliens or nasis or space-mutants or alien-nasi-space-mutants. These are real people and I of course realise this.
If you want to do the dirty work of some rich fascist in Washington and pretend you're 'fighting for freedom' then that's your problem. The rest of us shouldn't have to support it.
The states do have the power to do this, but if they do then the federal government stops paying for highway repairs. That's the strangle hold that that federal government has to keep the drinking age to 21. So if Vermont does this they'll have 2 problems, more drinking/driving and on worse roads.
Yeah, that horrible idea of contributing to society, protecting it, the people in it, and the values it stands for. How vile!how come you were brainwashed into joining the army
No-body's looking for moral justification to shoot someone, and certainly not the army. They shoot first, they die. They knock down two buildings killing thousands, they die. They threaten lives - they die. Very simple. Moral ideas such as 'evil', 'bad' or 'smelly' have got nothing to do with it. This is survival, this is war. I didn't shoot them because they're foreign, because they're ugly, or because someone told me they're evil. I'd have them dead because they pointed a gun at me, because they planned a suicide bombing in a major city, and because my little sister asks me difficult questions with fear-filled eyes.Just because their 'bad' (in Bush's opinion, 'bad' = Muslim/ Socialist/ Black) doesn't justify murder.
<!--I hope you get your arm or leg blown off in some terrorist attack, and have the rest of your misreable life to think about the stupidity of what you've just said. -->Why do join then? To 'protect democracy'? Then your just a sucker...
If you want to do the dirty work of some rich fascist in Washington and pretend you're 'fighting for freedom' then that's your problem. The rest of us shouldn't have to support it.
We don't wish such things on others here.
~Void - I was making a point, you know. :rolleyes2 <b>Making a point is not an excuse for rudeness. If you wish to make points that way, feel free to do so at another forum. Have a nice day.-Murder</b>
Do you disarm mines with your teeth, or jump from roof-tops? The ladies don't like bad teeth, nor do they care much for men who say "ow , my hip!"Hip and jaw so far, but still got all my fingers . Thanks.
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When fighting monsters, be wary not to become one yourself... when gazing into the abyss, bear in mind that the abyss also gazes into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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So every war we've been involved in since 1776 was wrong? Why do you stop there -- after all, the British wouldn't have attacked us if we had only bowed to their demands and liked it, so that was our fault, right? The rest were either in defense of our nation, in defense of what we believed to be "our" territory, in defense of an ally, or in support of any other oppressed peoples.
<!--I will politely and respectfully point out the blatant stupidity in the first line of this section. MacArthur? You sure you don't mean McGuire? How about Macbeth? McDonalds? HOW ABOUT MCCARTHY, GENIUS?-->'Known socialist'? Who the hell are you, MacArthur? Why does being a socialist stop his views from counting? And anyway, if you hate propaganda, how come you were brainwashed into joining the army, the #1 propaganda machine since the USSR?
And why are socialists dumber than anyone else? Frankly, some of your writing sounds like a paraphrase of 'Mein Kampf'!
Confusing McCarthy and MacArthur isn't that hard to do. Stop it.
~Void
Moving on. No, being a Socialist does not stop anybody's views from "counting". But being somebody who has a blatant disrespect for America and a history of slander, libel, misinterpreting, misquoting, misrepresenting, distorting facts, falsifying information, etc. etc. etc. (all that means lying, by the way), he's obviously not somebody MOST people would be gullible enough to trust. Which is why some believe Michael Moore should be given partial credit for Bush's re-election victory in '04. And by the way, I wasn't "brainwashed" into joining the Army, unless you're trying to spout that society brainwashes us to join the military, which is a complete crock. I didn't start talking to recruiters until after I had already decided to join.
Is there something wrong with being Capitalist? Or would you prefer us all to be in poverty, instead of just those who choose not to work for their money?This just shows the stupidity and hippocracy of US politics- two parties with names which are identical in meaning. both are just capitalistic, nationalist idiots, anyway.
First, let me note, again, your ignorance. "Bad" doesn't mean Muslim, or Socialist, or black. Unless those Muslims or Socialists or blacks live to deprive others of freedom or life, through terrorism or other forms of oppression, they're fine, and we don't have a problem with them. Secondly, if you knew much about the United States, you could find much worse "evil freaks" we've supported. However, there is a means to an end, and sometimes a mutual enemy makes an ally. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Sometimes that comes back to, in a manner of speaking, bite us in the ass, but that's the risk we have to take.And 'It's fun to shoot some of them, sure...'. WTF? You sick freak! Even if that was a joke, you are still a sicko! Your either a homicidal maniac or a fascist! Or just someone with a sick sense of humour... Just because their 'bad' (in Bush's opinion, 'bad' = Muslim/ Socialist/ Black) doesn't justify murder. And what about all the evil freaks that the US military has supported? Like Batista, or the South Vietnamese government?
Since you're most likely not American (in any sense of the word), I wouldn't say you should have to support it anyway. I believe you should, but if you don't believe the cause, you don't have to support it. As long as you don't get in our way, you're entitled to your own opinion. Not supporting something the government does is a freedom, one of the many freedoms the United States military has granted to millions upon millions of people around the world.Why do join then? To 'protect democracy'? Then your just a sucker...
If you want to do the dirty work of some rich fascist in Washington and pretend you're 'fighting for freedom' then that's your problem. The rest of us shouldn't have to support it.
(Why do people say "rich" like it's an insult?)
Heheh. Teeth are fine, jaw's messed up -- I was blown to the other side of a vehicle (IED) and hit it off a seat, as with my hip, though I do have other slight "war wounds" there. And it's not too bad, I just limp a little bit sometimes, and every once in a while my jaw pops out of place and I can't open my mouth all the way, or use my mouth normally.
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