Fixed.Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
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DJZen, I think you made some good points and it's admirable that you defended Nintendo despite disagreeing with their move with the controller. I think, though, that if they do the controller shell right, they won't be limiting games. If they make the shell right, they should, in effect, be saying "Hey look, guys, use this to make your so-called 'normal' games, and when you want to do something interesting for a change, use our new controller." I think it IS an innovative idea, but it's really the way company's utilize it that proves its worth.
Yes but the fact remains that it's looking like you'll have to buy it seperately. The main controller is still the remote control looking thing... What do you even call it? A butterstick? Joymote? Joy-Log? Gah... Yes, I'll defend Nintendo as a company, primarily because they're the only console manufacturer that's actually a game company these days. But also because I'm not some obsessed fan-boy out to flame anyone who dares pick up a non-Sony controller. I'm just saying I think it's a seriously bad move on Nintendo's part.
Also, if you want to see some reactions, check out the 1-up.com forums, there's definitely people there who've already called it "the g4yest controller that ever g4yed". Now, I want to smack them all personally, but I really think that popular opinion is going to go against Nintendo's favor here.
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Hehe, I was thinking specifically of my mother when I posted that too.Fixed.
give me a break, you damn well know these are not games that come to mind when people think of the successes that belonged to gamecube. I mean, lets take a look at some of these games you managed to throw up there. FInal Fantasy Crystal Chronicles? A game with mixed reviews that's "edge" was largely based on the "dual functionality" of the gba and gamecube which was nothing more than a money-making gimmick. In short, the game sucked and it fell flat on its face to most final fantasy fans who expected more. Beyond Good & Evil? The game didn't sell for [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img], next. Alien Homonid? Now you're just getting downright petty, would you ever even feign to think of this being a ps2 or an xbox defining game? Yeah, I didn't think so. Out of that multitude of games you no doubt racked your brains for I could maybe hand you like 1 or 2 games that were both gamecube exclusive and remarkable games. Yeah ... sorry im afraid my general point still stands. Gamecube pales in comparison to sony and microsoft in 3rd party support.name one exceptional game for the gamecube that wasn't developed by nintendo themselves
Resident Evil? Viewtiful Joe? Soul Calibur 2? Eternal Darkness? Alien Homonid? Baten Kaitos? Beyond Good & Evil? Capcom vs. SNK 2 EO? Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicals? Anything with the word "James Bond" in it? Anything with the word "Bomberman" in it? Starfox Assault? Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes? Dude, have you even SEEN a Gamecube?
No argument out of me here. That's all very true. Except for the part about making Nintendo sound like they're poor or something ... their success on pokemon and gba alone ensures they wont be going bankrupt anytime soon. But yeah, insignificant compared to the networth of sony and microsoft.and for that reason it took a 3rd place seat.
No it was for several reasons. Mainly it was because the Playstation caused Nintendo to fall so far behind in the market (and the developer unfriendly N64 certainly didn't help things) that people were soured to Nintendo from the getgo. The new school of gamers whose first console was a Playstation had decreed that anything made by Nintendo was inherently "ghey". It probably didn't help that the original Gamecube model was purple. There were some grumblings about the Gamecube's lack of multimedia functions (you couldn't use it as a CD or DVD player), lack of 3rd party support, and complete lack of a killer app (Not that the PS2 had any at the time of its launch. Fantavision? Pffft.). People also had complaints about the controller (as you can still see on this forum). However, one BIG reason that people don't tend to notice as much has to do with corporate reasons. Compared to Microsoft and Sony, Nintendo is a small fry. Sony and Microsoft were huge corporate giants long before either of them ever dreamed of making a game console. They OWN ENTIRE FACTORIES WHERE THE CHIPSETS ARE CAST. If you were to TAKE MICROSOFT'S ENTIRE WAREHOUSE FULL OF XBOX360S AND BLOW IT UP they WOULDN'T EVEN BAT AN EYE. These are corporate MEGA GIANTS who can afford to loose more money EVERY DAY than most of us will EVER SEE IN OUR ENTIRE LIVES. They could BUY OUT Nintendo several times over with no noticeable financial loss. Because of this, they can afford to make crazy new technology at a whim. Notice how Nintendo's entire console is outsourced to other companies? Yeah, there's a reason for that, and it hits them right in the pocketbook.
Yeah, a big pat on the back for you for not offering any sort of an explanation. I suppose I was silly for thinking I could intrude upon your impalpable intellect there with such a vain, stupid, and just utterly asinine question. Hmm lets see ... in the days of duck hunt you used this contraption called a light gun that emitted infrared light to interact with the little things you saw on the screen. Clearly, the revolution is leaps and bounds ahead of this ( I M3aN li3k CMON itz g0t Rev0luti0n iN Teh NAmE!) as outlined in this excerpt taken from http://www.gamesfirst.com/index.php?id=677 :Didn't basically the same technology exist 15+ years ago when we were playing duck hunt on the nes?
No.
"Another enticing attribute of the Revolution controller is its ability to function as a pointer. The controller emits a beam of infrared light that can be located on the television screen, potentially allowing for Nintendo DS style "touch" gameplay on the big screen. And since a pointer is essentially a light gun with very rapid fire, other more traditional light gun style interactions might also be possible."
In conclusion, dont try and be an internet cool-man with such a curt, rude answer to a question frankly you obviously dont know a whole lot about. But then again I guess just typing in "no" and dismissing it as foolish rhetoric was a whole lot easier than actually formulating an intellegent response. go figure.
funny, I didn't get the online version of GTA ... man I feel scammed. Anyway, look I commend Nintendo for the path they've chosen and standing out from the crowd. However, they're not the only ones pushing those quirky innovative titles. Katamari Damacy, for example, is arguebley the most innovative game of 2004 and is NOT found on the GC. Upcoming games like Okami http://ps2.gamespy.com/playstation-2.../615010p1.html which is ... wait for it ... a ps2 exclusive title, also looks promising. Nintendo's brand of revolution and innovation seems to be pushing new mediums of ways in which we interact with games. An example aside from the revolution is the nintendo DS and its touch screen application. Unfortunately I've just yet to be impressed with the implementation. Things like petting dogs with a stylus and other trivial tasks such as chopping food or fishing (Both of which were showcased in the revolution controller trailer along with other ridiculous looking crap) with a tv-like controller just doesn't appeal to me. but its a step in the right direction, and who knows the revolution could truly be revolutionary, but given nintendo's history of flops that involved quirky imaginitive and ambitious hardware ( Virtual boy, dual functionality of the gba and gc ) I'm thinkin no.I think for true seasoned gamers, the real revolution in gaming right now is online gaming in home consoles, and sony and microsoft seem to understand this better.
I think true seasoned gamers are smacking their foreheads at how many games are starting to include online support. The REAL revolution will come when people start to realize there's a lot more to gaming than Halo and GTA.
Last edited by Shadow8017; 09-19-2005 at 06:38 AM.
The controller has the ability to detect tilting (in 3 dimensions, mind you), which clearly, the NES light gun doesn't have.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again... Nintendo isn't like Sony or Microsoft... They actually care more about their consumers than the majority of companies out there. (Or at least, Nintendo knows how to be good to its customers, to keep them loyal.)
For those of you that keep complaining... over and over... about having to buy the add-ons... For one, no one will force you to buy them, and a lot of games probably wont need them... and second Nintendo ISN'T expensive! They've never been! Heck, the Revolution probably wont be more than $200!
Nintendo prides themselves for being able to give us products, at actually reasonable prices! (unlike other companies) Sometimes Nintendo sacrifies graphics to do so, but they never sacrifice quality.
Its most likely that the add-ons for the Rev controller will be packaged with the games that need them... in a simmilar way that the EyeToy was packaged with its games... selling them both with and without.
And I'm gonna beleive, from what I've seen in the past, that those 'with add-on' packages wont cost more than $5-10 more than the ones without. We might not even see difference in price.
For the controller add-on, (to make it look traditional) they could definantly sell that in stores seperately, for maybe $15 or so... But its also very likely, since this add-on will probably be widely needed, that Nintendo will just package it with the Revolution.
I can't really predict what will happen... so we'll just have to wait and see... But imagine how expensive things like add-ons would be if this was an Xbox, or a Playstation! Just be glad Nintendo is cheaper than the rest! =P
For what its worth, the way I see it... Nintendo is the most deserving of the 3 companies, to get my money! I still can't wait for a PS3... But we owe Nintendo a lot, and they still play a very important part in the industry. I wish more people would actually consider that when choosing a console.
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You know that article reminds me of how people are saying how much FFXII sucks without it comming out. As mean as it sounds it does lower my perception of alot of people who just cant like something thats made with alot of thought and effort into it, and DEMAND that the game fit their mold. :rolleyes2 While its good to have old games rehashed and refined its also good to explore new grounds. People are dismissing things before it comes out AGAIN and AGAIN. Its old people >_>; Its one thing to have concerns for Revolution because yes it is different, however to say its ghey or whatever and Sony pwnt Nintendo in everyway possible is just rofl.
No one appreciates anything anymore until everything is completely the same. *sighs* Wonder if we will hit the same Video Game market crash back in the 80s.
That and i always thought Sony and MS were just that..posers. Psh.
Last edited by Lionx; 09-19-2005 at 10:03 AM.
You know, its interesting you brought that up... lol If I base my idea on the article Kawaii Ryűkishi posted... then I could easily say that Nintendo is one of the major reasons that we haven't really gone into a video game market crash since the 80s. That sounds a little odd if you haven't read the article... lol, but its actually a decently strong idea.
As long as Nintendo is able to maintain a good place in the Industry, I don't think that we will see a crash for a while... hopefully. lol
I'm gonna rant a little about the recent history, seeing as its 4am, and I dont feel like sleeping. XD
The way I see it... the fact that Microsoft even joined the console race to begine with, was a major blow to the industry... in a very bad way. All Microsoft is trying to do, is to capitalize on yet another growing market that they can shove their greedy hands into. And if they had their way, they'd get a monopoly over it, just like they have with the PC world. As a result of Microsoft's push into the, shall I say 3 man elevator 3 because thats really the max number of good console companies that the market can deal with, the weak man of the group had to leave... This was of course Sega at the time, a great company with a lot of potential, just like Nintendo.
Take Microsoft out of the picture, and right now, you'd have Sony and Nintendo competing for the top... You'd also have more homes that Sony and Nintendo could get into! Sony works hard to compete for the top, and Nintendo seems very good at introducing very new ideas! These 2 companies would do very good together in the market. Both companies at this point would still have the strong fan bases they did back before the Xbox was a factor. You can even put Sega back into the show at this point, and imagine what they'd do for the industry! Sega was a mix of Nintendo, and more hardcore style and content. In my mind, the most perfect state the gaming industry could acheive, would be 2 or maybe 3 companies (2 is probably best, so that consumers dont get confused by too many different formats). You can't take a company like Nintendo out of the picture, you just can't... or everything falls apart, as Kawaii Ryűkishi's link shows.
Put Microsoft back in, and look at what they are doing right now... they are mearly trying to power through! They aren't bringing much of anything new into the scene, they are just trying to make money off of the stuff thats already there... They use their almost never ending supply of money, to go on extreamly intrusive advertizement campain, so that the consumer sees more of them than any other company...
And now picture Microsoft as the top company! What do you get? well, thats easy, another big market crash, due to all the consumers getting bored of the same stuff... And also, the market wouldn't improve or go anywhere. I'm not talking about just hardware either, in general hardware improvements are awesome, and fun, but they dont do too much to the general market... Its the gameplay, and the new things/ideas, that keep the general market interested enough to empty their wallets for more.
Sorry for ranting this much... but I really dont like Microsoft... LOL And I had a lot of, ideas in my head I needed to put here. XD To just clearify my preference, I'm not against Sony or Nintendo, I feel pretty equal about how much I like both.
(oh and btw, I just wanna add, I've seen people say that Sony was inovative cause they made eyetoy, and yea, they are, to a very minor extent, but they didn't create the EyeToy, EyeToy is a ripoff of a Sega Dreamcast device called the DreamEye!)
*sigh* I miss Sega... =3 In the game industry, I think Sega and Nintendo should be where Microsoft is. XD Them against Sony... dono if it would work, but I'd like to see it. XD
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I'd like to note that everytime I look at the console race, and the position of the consoles, it's usually Sony in first, and Nintendo and Microsoft basically even, Microsoft pretty much ignores Nintendo and is just competing against Sony, and Nintendo ignores Microsoft, at least in every fiscal review article I've ever read
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If we're going back to which companies should be making consoles, then I say get rid of Nintendo and bring back SEGA. That's just me though.
At any rate, the X-Box is growing constantly in popularity, and for a good reason: It's an awesome machine. If things are multi-platform, I always go for the X-Box version. Why? It plays best, has the best graphics, and oftentimes has the best controls. The GC is never even a consideration unless I can't get something elsewhere or won't be able to for a long time (Resident Evil 4, Animal Crossing, SSBM.). The PS2 remains awesome, although much of the time I prefer the 'Box because it's just a slicker package IMO. But, while the X-Box and PS2 both have a raft of games which make the consoles worthwhile, similar games on the Cubay are very few and far between. (Resident Evil 4, Animal Crossing, SSBM... that's about it.)
So, it does not seem to me as though Nintendo's vaunted capacity for making games instead of consoles is so wonderful. Whilst Sony and Microsoft rely largely on third party groups, and have a good selection of games, Nintendo has a much, much smaller base of games and this is often due to their failure to appeal to third parties. (For example, making the N64 cartridge instead of CD based, and the small discs for the GC.)
Nintendo's innovation can be brilliant. But so can the other groups. For example: Kula World, Intelligent Qube, Katamari Damacy, Ico, and Amplitude. The X-Box doesn't have the same originality, but it does things incredibly well at times instead. EG Halo, sports games, Soul Calibur II.
I do hope this works out well. Of course I do. I'm a gamer, I want to see more games doing more things in more ways. But I have very strong doubts that this will do well.
I have read several reaviews, and while I think including this controller as the only controler iis a horrible idea, I will still confess it does have a chance.
As for DJzen's defensive comments, I will just say one thing, the public controls weather the machine will sell good or not. Nintendo wants sales, and it seems to me like they are trying too hard to take a risk. (Much like SEGA's marketing did)
I think the nintendo Rev has a lot of good things going for it. I would honestly buy one. I am not crazy for the controler. I will give you that the nintendo controler was different at the time, but it was still close to competitors. This new ... thing - may just cause several people to go with another machine. I still remember people whining about the Game cube controller. I just think nentendo would be better off offering a traditional controler for the system.
I for one am going back and forth between the PS3 and the REvolution. I dont think the xbox 360 has much going for it in comparison to the other machines. That is too bad too, I rather like supporting the American console.
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I have a question. Why didn't nintendo make a normal controller with the movement thing in it? You would get all your buttons and have a normal controller.
Because it's not aimed at already-gamers, mostly, I'd say.
Also:
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=165
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VGCats for the win, but;
I'm starting to see where they're coming from with the getting non-gamers on board idea, and I don't like it. I don't want the Revolution to be a console of minigames - the exact thing I don't like about the DS - but that seems almost inevitably the destination.
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