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    I dont think America is as bad as the terrorists. We dont go around killing inoccent people.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreddz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreddz
    I dont think America is as bad as the terrorists. We dont go around killing inoccent people.......
    My ass. Or did you miss the prior reference to Hiroshima? We who supposedly don't go around killing innocents are responsible for single-handedly eliminating entire religions and languages (because we killed all the practicers) in our conflict with our own natives. Or is that too far in the past? How about Vietnam? Too long ago? How about the support we gave that allowed Bin Laden and crew to rise to power in afghanistan in the first place? Same can be said, to some degree or another, of every nation that currently exists in the middle-east, most of africa, and portions of asia and south america. Fine, so we don't get *our* hands dirty, we have our underlings do that for us. I do believe a Mr. Charles Manson is on death row for similar actions.

    And trust me, the worst of the middle east is almost naively innocent in comparison to what we let go on in africa. If we disapprove, we still haven't stopped funding the governments whose own troops commit those attrocities on their own people. America has more blood on it's hands than almost anyone else in history. We're second only to the Nazis and the Catholics.
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    Anyway, it doesn't matter to me how nice they are. So what. I hope they are nice and have proper British tea parties for whatever guests happen by the ol' cave.

    The problem is that this is a person that wants to severely injure us. That makes the equation fairly simple. Do whatever it takes to stop the attack. If negotiation would work, I'd suggest negotiation. Not because it's my fault, but because I don't want to cut my hand on his teeth. But if it won't work, there's no point in wasting my breath. And from what I know, the only negotiation point is "Accept Sharia and surrender", in other words no more America.

    Now I'll admit we have done quite a few things wrong, and most of them are still ongoing. We should stop doing those things. Yesterday. But that doesn't mean that because we are doing something stupid, it's ok to attack us. It would be the same as saying "Yeah you deserved to get raped. Just look at that short skirt".
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    My ass. Or did you miss the prior reference to Hiroshima?
    This is almsot a good point. Save for the fact that we were at war. It was done to debatibly save many lives (both Japanese and american). Anyways, in this case I would agree that it was a terroristic act. It was an act done to inflict a state of terror on Japan (and possibly the rest of the world). I will never condone the use of the bomb. It was a mistake. We have all apologized for it, because we knew it was wrong. We stooped down to the level of terrorists enemies whom decided to sneak attack (also debatable if your in for a conspiracy theory) pearl harbor.

    As for the Natives, I do not even wish to walk down that road. I agree with you that the slaughter and mistreatment of the Native Americans is comparable to the Halocaust. That is an inexcusable act, nothing good about it.

    Vietnam, what is the problem here? We went to war for the reasons of few, many protested, and we retreated. Less your talking about our support to our 'allies' there (very loosely used )

    Our at home security starts out with securing what is beyond our borders. We are a powerhouse nation, and we are expected to use this pwoer for what everyone else sees fit, while we keep an eye on our own investments as well. Now, I agree that a few (ok most) greedy-self-serving-lower-than-the-dog-crap-I-found-on-my-car-tire polititians abuse the rights they have for the sake of greed. I do disagree with some of our foriegn policies; but most of them are there to offensicly protect us from our enemies. I would like (not really but) to see you bitch when Iran, or North Korea Nuke the hell outta California. There is a lot more going on than we know. I still do belive that we take very man librities too far.

    This is a small rock though, our enemies are not as far away as you might think. (Rhetorical metephore - score!!)

    [edit] On that note, I should say that though I agree that African trade (along with other 3rd wolrd trade) should be brought up, to encourage global trust, insted of conquoring the globe and making an allied empire. imho of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by udsuna
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreddz
    I dont think America is as bad as the terrorists. We dont go around killing inoccent people.......
    My ass. Or did you miss the prior reference to Hiroshima? We who supposedly don't go around killing innocents are responsible for single-handedly eliminating entire religions and languages (because we killed all the practicers) in our conflict with our own natives. Or is that too far in the past? How about Vietnam? Too long ago? How about the support we gave that allowed Bin Laden and crew to rise to power in afghanistan in the first place? Same can be said, to some degree or another, of every nation that currently exists in the middle-east, most of africa, and portions of asia and south america. Fine, so we don't get *our* hands dirty, we have our underlings do that for us. I do believe a Mr. Charles Manson is on death row for similar actions.

    And trust me, the worst of the middle east is almost naively innocent in comparison to what we let go on in africa. If we disapprove, we still haven't stopped funding the governments whose own troops commit those attrocities on their own people. America has more blood on it's hands than almost anyone else in history. We're second only to the Nazis and the Catholics.
    We dont mean to kill inoccent people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bipper
    My ass. Or did you miss the prior reference to Hiroshima?
    This is almsot a good point. Save for the fact that we were at war. It was done to debatibly save many lives (both Japanese and american). Anyways, in this case I would agree that it was a terroristic act. It was an act done to inflict a state of terror on Japan (and possibly the rest of the world). I will never condone the use of the bomb. It was a mistake. We have all apologized for it, because we knew it was wrong. We stooped down to the level of terrorists enemies whom decided to sneak attack (also debatable if your in for a conspiracy theory) pearl harbor.

    As for the Natives, I do not even wish to walk down that road. I agree with you that the slaughter and mistreatment of the Native Americans is comparable to the Halocaust. That is an inexcusable act, nothing good about it.

    Vietnam, what is the problem here? We went to war for the reasons of few, many protested, and we retreated. Less your talking about our support to our 'allies' there (very loosely used )

    Our at home security starts out with securing what is beyond our borders. We are a powerhouse nation, and we are expected to use this pwoer for what everyone else sees fit, while we keep an eye on our own investments as well. Now, I agree that a few (ok most) greedy-self-serving-lower-than-the-dog-crap-I-found-on-my-car-tire polititians abuse the rights they have for the sake of greed. I do disagree with some of our foriegn policies; but most of them are there to offensicly protect us from our enemies. I would like (not really but) to see you bitch when Iran, or North Korea Nuke the hell outta California. There is a lot more going on than we know. I still do belive that we take very man librities too far.

    This is a small rock though, our enemies are not as far away as you might think. (Rhetorical metephore - score!!)

    [edit] On that note, I should say that though I agree that African trade (along with other 3rd wolrd trade) should be brought up, to encourage global trust, insted of conquoring the globe and making an allied empire. imho of course
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    Well that's quite the steaming pile of hypocrisy. The only reason North Korea and Iran started building nukes is because they knew our hands are still occupied with Iraq and Afghanistan.

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    Wow, that was kinda rude; but
    The only reason North Korea and Iran started building nukes is because they knew our hands are still occupied with Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Is a major assumption in itself. I don't really see what is so false about what I say. No more intellectually sound than what I quoted. It is belived by some that the Iraq war is a ploy to set our sights on Iran next. /shrug. I don't claim to know what is going on through other peoples heads, all I have is my observations and beliefs. I don't wish to see them being called "hypocrisy" in any case. If i am wrong, and you can search yourself for a better way to show me your interpitations of things.

    N. Korea and Iran have been working on nuclear programs for years. While Iran says that they have been refining for power usage, N. Korea has been openly admitting thier intent to make missles. This has been going on for a long time now, not just since we got out "hands tied with Iraq". Its a fact, you can look it up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreddz
    I dont think America is as bad as the terrorists. We dont go around killing inoccent people.......
    Well, not personally. But if you recall, you funded Saddam's massacre of the Kurds, the Nicarguan death-squads, Batista's fascist dictatorship, the Iranian Shah, the South Vietnamese dictatorship, the Argentinian Juntah, the various South Korean dictatorships, the opressive Brazillian government, al-Queda, the Taliban... the list goes on and on... And that doesn't include your own people that you've sent to die in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq...

    But I don't like terrorists at all. America isn't great, but terrorists are worse. If they really want to fight, then they should become guerrilas, like Che Guevara, Castro or Ho Chi Mihn, and fight their enemies militaries, not just target innocents, who would often otherwise support them.

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    While I am not saying that any of that is wrong, I would like to know exactly how you know we were funding a genocide in Iraq? we have paid out of pocket to keep the bullies aside, we also do not have the resources that everyone seems to think we do.

    The world > America, and I hope it will always be that way. The offencive defence that I spoke of earlier is bad for the simple reason that we do begin terroizing other countries by funding thier enemies. I hate this approach, its like funding the lesser of two evils.

    You can go around all day (we pay people to do this ) and different opinions on the matter of foreign policy will never meet eye to eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuchulainn
    Calling all 'terrorists' evil is idiotic to the extreme. They are human like you and I. As such should be judged on their actions not their label. A lot of what 'terrorists' do is warped ideology to the extreme, a lot is fighting for freedom. Then again, a lot of regular soldiers are warped to the extreme. No one group or human is the same & labeling them as 'evil' only serves to soothe your own needs.

    'Terrorism' is a reaction to something or some group, stronger in men & resources than the 'terrorist'. Therefore it's war 'by other means'. These 'other means' are usually done by few & with little funding, therefore precision of attack is harder & 'mistakes' are frequent, with collateral lives lost. A lot deliberately attack innocents for the same reasons as above.

    It's a dirty nasty war by both the 'terrorist' and the government fighting it, I know this first hand. The word 'evil' is a sanctimonious cop out.
    Yes they are humans like you and me. They are simply brainwashed. They aren't evill. Just brainwashed to be evilll.

    Seriously they are brainwashed and they do think their cause is right. You have to look into the history of terrorism.

    People have different reasons why they do terrorism.

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    America arent bad people at all, they mean no harm to others, so arent bad people in any respect. They have made bad judgement and decisions, but never meant to kill innocent people. Terrorists are idiotic and think America is agaisnt them.So go out of there way to kill 1000 + people in the twin towers incident. Not even caring of all the familys that have been wrecked by them.
    I think Blair is making a bad choice though. Him being Bushes lap dog almost got my Mum killed from the Tavistock Bomb ( oposite My mums work ). Were safer being allys with no one IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreddz
    America arent bad people at all, they mean no harm to others, so arent bad people in any respect. They have made bad judgement and decisions, but never meant to kill innocent people.
    Yes. The USA is all about peace, love and fluffy little bunnies, dancing on a field of pink flowers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrgen
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreddz
    America arent bad people at all, they mean no harm to others, so arent bad people in any respect. They have made bad judgement and decisions, but never meant to kill innocent people.
    Yes. The USA is all about peace, love and fluffy little bunnies, dancing on a field of pink flowers.
    that is what America wants, Bush dosent want a war.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bipper
    While I am not saying that any of that is wrong, I would like to know exactly how you know we were funding a genocide in Iraq? we have paid out of pocket to keep the bullies aside, we also do not have the resources that everyone seems to think we do.
    Everyone knows the US funded the genocide in Iraq. US funds Saddam, Saddam commits genocide, therefore US funds genocide. The only reason that they decided to 'keep the bullies' aside is because he started going against there orders. It's happened before. IN South Vietnam, the US had President Diem assassinated because he was failing to fight off the Vietmihn. They replaced his already corrupt administration with a military dictatorship.

    Terrorists are bad, and a I agree that they are all pretty much evil, but the Bush administration uses them as a weapon against the American people, to keep them scared and under control. SO, bye gaining from their actions, he's just as bad. Which is very bad.

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