Cloud's strength and Jenova cells (unmarked FFVII and AC spoilers)

[Squall of SeeD]

The thing is, it's not told anywhere in FFVII when he was showered with Mako. Sure, he had the glow in his eyes, but Jenova cells could have caused that as well. Mako is given to those joining the SOLDIER, and Cloud never made it into the SOLDIER. When he killed Sephiroth in Nibelheim's Mako Reactor, I think it'd be safe to say he had neither Mako nor Jenova cells at that point. So it must have been Hojo who gave him Mako, which is quite weird when he just wanted to experiment with Jenova cells by putting them on Nibelheim's survivors.

Uh... it's outright shown and stated in the game that Hojo infused him with Mako. We see him and Zack floating in tubes full of Mako. We read reports in the basement of the mansion that state he was injected with JENOVA and infused with Mako. Go back to the mansion's basement and watch the flashback, then read the books.

No. The only people who have seemingly been able to reach a Limit Break are the nine party members and the kid in the inn near Avalanche's hideout.

You just defeated your own argument by mentioning the kid near AVALANCHE's hideout. I somehow doubt that there was anything "special" about him. Or Cid for that matter. Or Yuffie. Or Barret. They're all just normal people thrust into an extraordinary situation.

As for Trance and Spirit Energy giving you the power to reach it...

And please, try to keep the theories and answers reasonable and within FFVII's world, so no BS things like Gaia theory, crystallized spirit energy, Jewish trees, spheres, pyreflies et cetera.

I don't recall accepting those terms. In any event, it's obvious to anyone that Trance and Limit Breaks are the same thing. Hell, they were the same thing from Final Fantasy VI through IX. In VI, they were called "Desperation Moves" and automatically happened sometimes when a character's health was really low. In VII, they occur after a character has been pounded on for a while. In VIII, they occur when a character's HP is low, like in VI. In IX, they occur after a character gets pounded on for a while like in VII, but they also occur for storyline purposes a few times when a character's in a moment of -- wait for it -- desperation.

Considering that the physics that apply to the worlds of VII and IX are repeatedly pointed out to be the same (the Cycle of Souls, a Lifestream, the gift of Spirit Energy at conception, etc.), it's perfectly fine to mention those things here as far as I'm concerned. So I'll do so where it seems important.

In any event, I didn't try to use something from outside of VII to explain something. If you'll notice, I referred to a term by its VII title and then threw in a backslash with the name of its IX counterpart after. This is different from what you asked not to receive in responses (explanations employing things outside of VII), which is why I feel rather justified with my smart-ass and long-winded response here.


But, seriously, defeating your own argument with the evidence you cited above was rather... odd. To argue that not just anybody can use Limit Breaks and to cite... just anybody... who is capable of it is rather weird.