The relationship between Cloud and Tifa

[Pivi]

You don't want him to end up with Tifa, but you seem quite sure that Cloud will move on with Tifa?

Heh, what is this have to do with being biased?
If there's a trial, and I do not see the convict guilty, does it mean that I like him/her? No, of course not.
Thus, because I see possibility for Cloti, is not makes me a biased Cloti.

And you've yet to tell me where you saw this romance. I'm not going to make judgements about the opinions of people I do not know.

The blushing scene, the holding scene, and nearly everything before he got geostigma and his depression.
Should I quote them out of Case of Tifa?

From what you've told me, I would say that you want to see Cloud move on with Tifa.

You can't be much wronger. I really do not care for them that much.

Since you don't explain what you're basing your opinion on, then I'm assuming that you must think that "moving on" would be what's best for Cloud and therefore it will happen.

Again, should I repeat myself? I hope not, read back my posts more clearly. I never said anything will happen.

Just giving you a taste of your own medicine.

But you do not make any sense...

What do you base that on, and why does that mean that he'll move on with Tifa?

Based on my interpretation on the whole compilation. Wow, who thought, eh...?

If Cloud continues acting the way he did in CoT, then he may have simply said, "I found this by the side of the road" and never mentioned what it had to do with Aerith.

I have bolded the word for You. But he does not have geostigma, so I don't think he would.

How do you know he told Tifa that Aerith is in the flower field? How do you know he told Tifa that he can communicate with Aerith? How do you know he told Tifa that he sees Aerith sometimes?

How do you know he did not tell Tifa that Aerith is in the flower field? How do you know that he did not tell Tifa that he can communicate with Aerith? How do You know he did not tell Tifa that he sees Aerith sometimes?
And for the biggest question, how do you know that he can communicate with Aerith and that he sees Aerith sometimes? I don't think Aerith can appear for him that much, and that easily.

I haven't heard Reminiscence myself

How can You use something in a debate that You're not familiar with...?

but the majority of people seem to think that Tifa called Cloud.

From the Bonus Calls translation:

Call 5 [0:16:36]

Cloud:

Hey, it's me. I've only got one more package to deliver to Midgar. Has there been any more requests...?
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No, turn that one down. I'm making tomorrow a holiday.
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Nothing special... Say Tifa, can you close the shop?
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Not hard is it.
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OK. Let Denzel and Marlene know too. See you later, then.

Do You answer a phone call with a 'Hey, it's me', followed by a full sentence, and not asking what the caller wants...? Because there's no people who acts like this.
So Cloud called Tifa. He stopped to call her if there's anything else to do.

Another thing he hid from Tifa is why he's taking the day off. That's something Tifa wanted him to do in CoT, but he refused. Now he decides to take a day off, but he doesn't ask her to join him. Please don't say that he may be planning to surprise her, because that's extremely OOC for Cloud.

He's taking a dayout with all of his friends. That's what the Reminisence calls are about, so You should listen to it (or read the call translations), before You make false interpretations of the scenes...

Secondly, that's from Tifa's point of view, and she goes on to say that it may have been an illusion. In other words, she thought it was kindness at the time, but it may have been something else. If Tifa's not sure that's what it was, why are you sure?

Having read through all of Case of Tifa, and knowing how deeply Cloud care for Tifa (being it romantic or not, it's not matter at this time), it wasn't an illusion, and that's why I made my interpretation, as I made.

Also, do not forget the staff interview:

Q: At the end of FFVII, Cloud saved the world and was on the way to a happy ending but, in the two years towards AC, he returned to the way he was in the past. What happened to him?

Nojima: Cloud never had a boring personality in the first place so when he started living with Tifa and started out his job, the peaceful life that he had never experienced before made him anxious. During that time, he also contracted Geostigma so it's to protect the ones precious to him or not, he had to face death and ran away.

Is there any incompatibiltiy with Tifa...? No, there isn't.
It really makes sense. Cloud changed his behaviour suddenly. What happened to him? He contracted geostigma. So in the first hand, he felt depression not only because of Aerith's death (don't forget that when they first visited Aerith's grave in CoT, Tifa was the one who cried, and he was the one, who tried to calm her), but because the effect of geostigma.

From CoT:
At least now she understood the sadness and pain she felt, tearing her heart apart as she visited the place. Being a member of Avalanche and being with a large group of people gave her these feelings. The tears wouldn't stop.

"I'm sorry, I'm really sorry."

She felt Cloud's hand on her shoulder. He held onto her firmly so that she wouldn't go anywhere. For now, she was just going to let herself cry as much as she felt like. Then she was going to leave the rest to him.

Alone, she just didn't know what she could do.

Okay... then you should also accept the possibility as well as the interpretation that Cloud and Tifa will not end up together.

Of course I accept, as I said, I respect every theories that are not close-minded. I do not really care, if Cloud dies single in an age of, say, 85, and reunites with Aerith. I do not think that it will happen, but I see the possibility for this also, not just for Cloud and Tifa.

Someone wanting to remember a loved one who has passed away is often an indication of romantic love, so it can be interpreted that way.

Yes, I agree with this one, but the word is interpretation here again.

If Aerith wants them recognized as lovers, then Aerith must realize that Cloud has the same feelings for her as she she has for him.

He had those feelings in FF7, yes. But in AC...? I don't think so. Well, I'm pretty sure that he has some romantical feelings inside him (he did not let her go yet), but it's not the same feeling as it was in FF7, and Cloud's depression only came when he contracted geostigma.

Aerith still had her form in AC, so her feelings for Cloud have not changed.

Hmmm, her feelings are much more caring feelings in AC then romantical for me...
Yes, it was clear that she loved Cloud romantically, but somehow after I read Maiden, I had the impression, that he changed to a "mother" figure (not because of the "Mother" comment in AC), and she cared not only for Cloud, but for everyone. So I had the impression, that she let go of him romantically.

And another question is, if Aerith can manifestate herself that easily in the "upper world", then why didn't she do that...? If she loves Cloud that much romantically, why didn't she manifestate when he was depressed, and when he started struggling because of geostigma...? She made very few appearances through AC, and that's just for stirring Cloud to the right direction, and not to confess their love.

Even Cloud did not behave like one, who is eternally in love with her... He wanted forgiveness from her, and not to be with her forever.

That's a love that will never die.

If that's the case, then why did Cloud behave like he did in the first part of CoT...? Why was he optimistic, why did he want to start a new life with Tifa, Marlene and Barret, why did he show some affection towards Tifa (blushing scene in CoT, for example), and why he changed suddenly...?

A romantical love that never dies, is much like Vincent's and Lucrecia's love, but not like Cloud's and Aerith's. Vincent is behaving much like the one, who'll never love another woman romantically, but Cloud is not.