The relationship between Cloud and Tifa

[Pivi]

Well, first of all, we're going nowhere with this discussion, so I'll stop it now, this'll be my last quote. Interpretation can't win against an interpretation, and we're fighting with these.

Or unless there's another translation for that line.

Yes, in that case I would fully accept it as Tifa calling Cloud.

So it was the *interviewer*, not Nojima, who said that Cloud was on his way to a happy ending. I could care less what the interviewer thinks.

Nojima did not negate the "happy ending" quote,

It’s Nojima, however, who says that the life Cloud had at the Seventh Heaven with Tifa made him anxious. From what Nojima says, Cloud was feeling anxious before contracting Geostigma, which would fit my interpretation better than yours! :P

The peaceful life made him anxious, yes. But that does not make him incompatible with Tifa, as You think, and because of this anxiousness, he starts his delivery business with his bike. He can't stand in one place for long, it makes him anxious. Does this incompatibility? No. Does this make him incompatible with Tifa? No. Does this makes Your interpretation more valid? Hell no. :P

There’s also a possibility that Tifa will get together with Barret, Reno, or Vincent instead of Cloud.

Yes, of course. It has a much less possibility, bit it has. :P

I plan to show you in great detail how I got the interpretation of incompatibility, too.

Go ahead, but I don't think it will change my interpretation...

If he wasn’t sure of the question, then why didn’t he ask her to repeat it? If I’m not sure of what someone said, I ask them to repeat it. Most people do.

There are facial expressions, that equals to a question, You know. A dubious look, for example...

According to your interpretation, Cloud would have to be in love with Tifa at this point

No, You also got it wrong. Cloud has romantical feelings for her, but he couldn't let them out yet, and they're not evolved feelings. I never said that they're madly in love yet. It has to wait until AC.

Instead, he refers to his “problem”, and we later find out what that problem is: the inability to retrieve lost lives, which refers to getting Aerith back.

If he could get lost lives back, it would make that he's not guilty, thus he does not need forgiveness. It's not a romantic "bring her back" for me. He does not behave loke a forever in love person to me throughout CoT and AC.

If a lifestyle makes you feel anxious, then you are unhappy with it. If you are unhappy with a way of living, that makes you incompatible with a person who wants to live that way.

But with the delivery service, Cloud is not anxious anymore, so if Tifa will acknoledge this (what she already did), then the so called incompatibility will go away.

You assume that he wasn’t depressed because he didn’t break down in tears like Tifa did.

No. I assume he wasn't depressed, because after that, he was optimistic, he was smiled, etc. It's not like a depressed person. After geostigma, he was depressed, but before that, not.

What Cleris people see as evidence of his undying love for Aerith is going out to flower field to meet her, gathering flowers from the place where she is, taking multiple photographs of the flower field, and going to live in Aerith’s Church when he thought he was dying. What we see as undying love for Aerith is Cloud’s unhappiness while living at the Seventh Heaven. What we see as undying love for Aerith is Cloud telling Tifa that she isn’t enough to solve his problem, which is the “inability to retrieve lost lives”. What we see as undying love for Aerith is the way Cloud looks up into the brightness of the Holy rain brought by Aerith. What we see as undying love for Aerith is wanting to take the day off to spend a whole day in the flower field with Aerith.

Should I say, that in my interpretation, I can debunk all of these points...? I do not think it's necessary, until You not try to tell me that Your interpretation is the absolute truthness. For me, it's very far from being the truthness, but I have to say I respect this theory also.

Another question that has to be asked is why Cloud would fall into depression if he’s in love with Tifa and living a happy life with her?

Read back.

Now, if Aerith had “gotten over” Cloud – as you have suggested – and gave her blessing to CloudxTifa, why didn’t Aerith disappear?

This passage also suggests that Cloud hadn’t “gotten over” Aerith, since we see Aerith waiting for Cloud during the bonus ending while Calling plays. Those who had feelings left behind them could strongly retain their consciousness as a “whole”, which suggests that Cloud’s love for Aerith is still very strong.

Well, the problem with this interpretation is that Zack also appeared for Cloud at the end of AC, end there's clearly nothing romantical between Cloud and Zack. So, is this means that the love between Cloud and Aerith is not necessarily romantical...? Yes, very much.

I also want to write up a full reply about Case of Tifa, which will show how I see Cloud's change of behavior as gradual rather than sudden.

Okay, go ahead, I'll read it surely, but I won't comment anything here for a while, I really got tired of this discussion.
I don't care that much for the LT in AC, to run in circles this much...

That picture of Cloud and Tifa, and marlene and denzel could be then ticked off as random. The important thing is, why does he have them on his desk in the first place?

Well, the family picture and the reunion picture placed there to look on it. The photos are scattered throughout there, as random photos would have been on a workdesk. If those photos would have the same meaning as the other pictures (to look on them), then they would placed in a photo album, or in a photo case, like the family and reunion photo.
The flower in front of the reunion picture represents Aerith, the photos not.

And it's a very interesting thing that the flower placed in front of the group picture, and not in front of the family picture. Does this mean that Cloud does not consist Aerith in the family, but instead in the group...? It's very possible.

So, that's all from me, these discussions were enough for my desire of the "fun discussing".