The relationship between Cloud and Tifa

[Anastar]

Well, first of all, we're going nowhere with this discussion, so I'll stop it now, this'll be my last quote. Interpretation can't win against an interpretation, and we're fighting with these.

That's all that's available to us. Even Nomura said he didn't know whether Tifa and Cloud were romantically involved, so there's nothing proven in the Compilations. All we have to work with is our interpretations. I just think the Compilation supports a Cleris interpretation much better than a Cloti interpretation.

Nojima did not negate the "happy ending" quote

SE likes to keep interpretations open, so Nojima didn't explicitly negate the "happy ending" quote NOR did he endorse it as correct. However, I think that Nojima's comment about the peaceful life making Cloud anxious negates the "happy ending" quote, although not explicitly.

The peaceful life made him anxious, yes. But that does not make him incompatible with Tifa, as You think, and because of this anxiousness, he starts his delivery business with his bike. He can't stand in one place for long, it makes him anxious. Does this incompatibility? No. Does this make him incompatible with Tifa? No. Does this makes Your interpretation more valid? Hell no. :P

Starting his delivery business because he can't stand staying in one place very long is just one example of his incompatibility with Tifa. He had to find something else to make him happy because his life at the Seventh Heaven with Tifa and the others didn't make him happy.

Yes, of course. It has a much less possibility, bit it has. :P

I just mean that you can say that *anything* is "possible". It's also "possible" that Cloud decides to become a transvestite, or that he grows a beard, or that he becomes a vegetarian, or that he starts a Motorcycle Racing Station at the Gold Saucer and ends up with Dio. Anything is "possible".

There are facial expressions, that equals to a question, You know. A dubious look, for example...

Since English isn't your first language, I guess you thought it could mean that he was uncertain about what she said. A dubious look actually means that you have doubts about the subject of conversation.

No, You also got it wrong. Cloud has romantical feelings for her, but he couldn't let them out yet, and they're not evolved feelings. I never said that they're madly in love yet. It has to wait until AC.

But there's nothing showing that they're madly in love in AC, either.

If he could get lost lives back, it would make that he's not guilty, thus he does not need forgiveness. It's not a romantic "bring her back" for me. He does not behave loke a forever in love person to me throughout CoT and AC.

Perhaps you have certain expectations what a "forever in love" person should act like, whereas the beginning of CoT was simply showing that Cloud didn't know what he wanted at the end of FFVII. I think he felt obligated to help Tifa get her life in order after all that she'd done for him, so he basically just went with the flow. He's still figuring things out for himself, but even Tifa considers him nothing but a friend in CoT. She says so right here:

Barret turned round and shouted, "Take care!" His voice was a little shaky. "Put the family's strength together and keep at it!"

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Friends were a necessity to me so that I wouldn't get supressed by the sins in my consciousness. Even if they were companions that had the same wounds or were burdened with the same sins. We couldn't live without comforting each other and encouraging each other.

You could call that family maybe. We just had to put the family's strength together and do our best. Tifa thought she could get over anything being with friends that she could call family.

Barret obviously considers himself part of the "family", too. They were all friends helping each other out, so the "family" didn't just consist of Cloud, Tifa, Denzel, and Marlene. Barret was part of the family, too. CoT also stated that Marlene slept with Tifa, and that Cloud had his own room, so it's not like Cloud and Tifa were acting as a married couple with children. Cloti's tend to read way too much into the "family" references, given that Barret is part of the family and Tifa only sees it as friends helping one another out.

But with the delivery service, Cloud is not anxious anymore, so if Tifa will acknoledge this (what she already did), then the so called incompatibility will go away.

But the anxiousness did not go away with the delivery service, which means the incompatibility did not go away. If anything, the anxiousness increased.

Cloud was keeping a lot from Tifa. From the pictures over his desk, it's quite obvious that he was travelling to different places, perhaps in search of Aerith. We know he went to the Church, for example. Do you know how often he went there? If you found out that Cloud had been visiting the Church every day, would you tend to think that Cloud was acting like "forever in love" person after all? How do you know he wasn't going to the Church every day?

You're making a lot of assumptions about what Cloud was doing.

No. I assume he wasn't depressed, because after that, he was optimistic, he was smiled, etc. It's not like a depressed person. After geostigma, he was depressed, but before that, not.

How do you know he got depressed after Geostigma and not before? Remember the link I quoted for you in my last post where it says that men tend to suppress their grief and depression so that even doctors have a hard time recognizing it? If he's suppressing it, then you wouldn't see signs of it.

Should I say, that in my interpretation, I can debunk all of these points...? I do not think it's necessary, until You not try to tell me that Your interpretation is the absolute truthness. For me, it's very far from being the truthness, but I have to say I respect this theory also.

Where did I say my interpretation is the absolute truthfulness? Please find the quote where I said that. I believe in my interpretation, and I think a Cleris interpretation is far better substantiated than a Cloti interpretation, yes. But where did I say it's the absolute truth?

Well, the problem with this interpretation is that Zack also appeared for Cloud at the end of AC, end there's clearly nothing romantical between Cloud and Zack. So, is this means that the love between Cloud and Aerith is not necessarily romantical...? Yes, very much.

I meant that Aerith appeared in the bonus ending after AC where Zack did not appear, which means that Aerith still has her form after AC.

Okay, go ahead, I'll read it surely, but I won't comment anything here for a while, I really got tired of this discussion.
I don't care that much for the LT in AC, to run in circles this much...

Threads like this will do nothing but put one interpretation against another interpretation. If you don't enjoy doing that, then why start a thread on it?