Of course, now SE will prove us wrong by having Cloud and Tifa be a couple in DoC.
Of course, now SE will prove us wrong by having Cloud and Tifa be a couple in DoC.
Formerly: Autumn Rain
I'm happy if he ends up with anyone except Aeris. Hell, he can end up with Nanaki for all I care... Well, okay, that could be creepy...Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
Of course, now SE will prove us wrong by having Cloud and Tifa be a couple in DoC.
I'm not saying that you can't think of your interpretations as correct. But, interpretations are just that, interpretations, possible answers but not definite answers. I'm not saying that my interpretations are correct either, I try to prove them as correct, yes, but even so, mine are just interpretations, so as yours, wether they are correct or not, we might never know.
I don't have such regard towards Nomura, I even think that this FFVII "sequel" was too much for him, but I do think that he has a little of seriousness, so as Nojima, to write a real plot.
Oh yes, this is the quote I was talking about, it came on the Newtype USA October issue:
To this day, FFVII continues to draw some fire for its ambiguous ending. It's a satisfying conclusion [and beautiful to behold], but it doesn't hold the player's hand through a lengthy denouement the way 16-bit Final Fantasy games do. That shift in presentation, Tetsuya Nomura insists, was entirely intentional-- the goal was to make players think a little harder and pay closer attention to a more complex storyline. "I don't know if you could really say that FFVII had any unanswered questions to speak of," claims Nomura, taking what some of his fans [or detractors] might characterize as a slightly controversial stand. "We just created FFVII with the idea that we wouldn't just come out and tell people the answers. The answers are there, but no one is there to tell you where to look for them. We didn't leave anything hanging." Nomura, of course, had the advantage of the original game's scriptwriter sitting across the office to point out where to look. But, on the bright side, if Square had spelled everything out, there might not have been enough demand for a sequel like Advent Children.
I'll see if I can find this quote myself. However, if he says they left no questions unanswered, then it is likely he means there is no official love interest.
Yes, there is, but you have to dig in. He didn't meant, that there weren't any un-answered stuff, in the matter that they anwered everything in a way that it was obvious, it was answered, but the answer is blurry. If you want the real answers, look for them.
"The answers are there, but no one is there to tell you where to look for them. We didn't leave anything hanging."
Did you read this entire thread? Believe me, there's been a lot of digging, and no one can really come to an official conclusion on either.
The fact that no one can prove their interpretations as correct, doesn't mean that an actual answer doesn't exist. There are lots of different interpretations, and that's that. There's a correct interpretation, but to prove it as the "correct one" is other thing. Well... unless Square-Enix gets tired of this, and finally makes the truth obvious.
Well, if what you say is true, they would have to make it obvious someday, as it is immpossible to ever get the real answer otherwise. Believe me, I've seen some very indepth analysises, and no one can come up with a true, official answer.
Why should they do it? That's why: "It was left to interpretation". If you have the correct interpretation, you're blessed, if not, at least you don't know you're wrong, and you can be happy too. Is just that simple, my friend.
By the way, I've been reading my posts, and it seems as if I've tried to push my points of view, onto everyone, I have to apologyze for that. I'm just defending my points, sorry.
Last edited by Dante Obscuri; 11-12-2005 at 04:24 AM.
First off, you keep throwing this quote around like it applies to Advent Children, when he is clearly speaking of FF7 alone."We just created FFVII with the idea that we wouldn't just come out and tell people the answers. The answers are there, but no one is there to tell you where to look for them. We didn't leave anything hanging."
Secondly, if something is left up to interpretation, that means there is no correct answer. It all relates to how the individual takes it to mean. That means, everyone's interpretaion is technically correct.. IN THEIR OWN MINDS.
Formerly: Autumn Rain
First part of your post suggested that you disagree i.e. "Not really. Making it open for interpretation, is a statement that there is no correct answer"
Second part of your post perfectly matches what I meant in my post, i.e. "Nomura may have his own preference, but he designed the story so that it could work with everyone else's preference."
So I really do not know how to go about replying.
Well if you consider you or me to be as "official" as can be, I guess it works.. but I am considering Nomura/SE to be the "official", so his interpretation is what I termed "official interpretation". Despite leaving rooms for everyone else to interpret in different ways they would like to, Nomura must have an "official" interpretation of his own. :mog:
Honestly after just watching it, I say Cloud is not with anyone. The entire movie he can't forgive himself for letting Aeris die, just because he feels the need to protect EVERYONE. *SPOILER* When Sephiroth has the Masamune in his shoulder he asks if there was anything he could have the pleasure of taking away from him, and cloud says "How pitiful. You don't understand anything at all. There is nothing that isn't important to me." Cloud is fighting for everyone and everything, he is not directly connected or in love with one person. He feels obligated to protect everyone and everything. It's like the opposite of the Matrix... in the matrix Neo is completely in love with Trinity, but as the architect said, the previous "ones" had been in love with the human race as a whole and did what they saw best for everyone, while Neo fought for one person. Cloud wasn't fighting for one person, he was fighting for everyone. I don't see love for Tifa, except maybe the shared love they have for the children and their strong friendship which he has with all the characters from the game. I don't see love for Aeris, just terrible regret that he had not done more to save her, and needed her forgiveness, when he realized it wasn't really his fault with her help and stuff, and that she was really still there, he was able to move on and get new strength and fight.
In conclusion, Cloud is in love with everything and wants to protect everyone and everything, he's not in love with either Tifa or Aeris. Even Tifa said "we're not a real family." They're together at the orphanage because they both love the children and want to protect them.
THE JACKEL
ljkkjlcm9: Heh, I have to say, that's one of the most logical interpretations I have read lately. I do not agree with every part of it, but it's somehow close to my theory.
Yes, because the one who said it, was no one else than Advent Children's director. FFVII as Advent Children, actually the correct way to say it would be, Advent Children as FFVII, left many points to interpretation, and that's the boggest catch of the story. But as in FFVII, interpretation, doesn't mean unanswered
No, it means that the answer is not obvious, and that you have to dig in to find it.
I agree with that, but that doesn't mean that they are "ACTUALLY CORRECT".
I second that.
Last edited by Dante Obscuri; 11-13-2005 at 02:18 AM.
You don't seem to understand that that isn't truely possible. We can dig all we want and think we have the right answer, but there is absolutely NO WAY to know for sure unless Nomura were to tell us. Both sides have enough evidence to suggest that either could be correct. Its simply not possible to be entirely sure.
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