How is Starbucks "based on liberal thought"?
I'm serious, now. When did liberal become synonymous with intellect and conservativism become synonymous with Christianity?
How is Starbucks "based on liberal thought"?
I'm serious, now. When did liberal become synonymous with intellect and conservativism become synonymous with Christianity?
Isn't capitalism economically liberal? That's what I assumed he meant.
Depends on your viewpoint. As a libertarian, I am used to saying that I am economically conservative, because a free market (or "right to property and wealth" or whatever) is more in line with random conservatives, not liberals.
I get all confused, anyway.
That's the way I view it too, but that's just what I assumed he was referring to without putting much thought into it either way.
Well, technically. "Liberal" used to mean pro-freedom, which was a "small government" philosophy. John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, and all those guys were liberals, in the original use of the world.Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
However, now liberal ideology is defined more as "big government," and conservative as "small government," even though that's just for economics. The leftist and rightist ideologies are equally inconsistent, as they basically completely flip-flop ideals when the discussion goes from economics to social aspects. Don't ask me why.
Well I know that.
Of course, everytime I hear either "liberal" or "conservative" I cringe and run away because those words are tossed around so much.
More or less. They've come to be what I call "nonsense" words in that they have no defined meaning. Nonsense words mean whatever the hell the user wants them to mean, but do have very vague outlines, so the person you're communicating with "gets a sense" of what you're talking about, even though both could be thinking two completely different things.
There are a lot of nonsense words out there. Smart, mature, love, God...uh, that's all that I thought of off-hand. But there's more.
I was going to stop explaining here, but it's a freaking Starbucks thread. Anything is better than that.
Words need to have an objective value for use in communication. Without that objective value, they are merely arbitrary collections of letters. That's all nonsense words are - they don't mean anything, unless defined. That's why I define "liberal" and "conservative" before I use the terms, so you know exactly what I'm saying. I also try to define any potential nonsense words (such as selfish, selfless, value, logic, etc.) before using them in a discussion, if I fear that my intended meaning may be misinterpreted.
Well now that we're going nice and off-topic, no, words do not need to have an objective value for use in communication. It's called abstact thought, and is a hallmark of mature thinking. Maybe you'll reach it someday.
What I meant was that Starbuck's philosophies and mission statements
lean more towards the left. For instance, they have a normal mission
statment, and an environmental mission statement. The envoronmental one:
This in itself is more liberal than conservative (and more "green" thanWe fulfill this mission by a commitment to:
Understanding of environmental issues and sharing information with our partners.
Developing innovative and flexible solutions to bring about change.
Striving to buy, sell and use environmentally friendly products.
Recognizing that fiscal responsibility is essential to our environmental future.
Instilling environmental responsibility as a corporate value.
Measuring and monitoring our progress for each project.
Encouraging all partners to share in our mission.
liberal if you want to add some grey to the black and white of the whole
left/right liberal/conservative democrat/republican stuff).
And liberal/conservative were originally meant as ways to interpret the
constitution. Liberal believing that it should be read...well...liberally,
and conservative believing that we should go by exactly what was
written. I think what you're talking about is more along the lines of
federalist and anti-federalist. But the reason I used the term liberal is
because it's used in the article.
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Jesus, Mandee, he wasn't getting on your case. That was kind of abrupt and mean.
All valid abstract thought can be defined in concretes. Otherwise, it has no value. Abstractness is not devoid of reality - it is using reality to make abstract generalities, i.e., moral premises ("freedom" is an abstract ideal).Well now that we're going nice and off-topic, no, words do not need to have an objective value for use in communication. It's called abstact thought, and is a hallmark of mature thinking. Maybe you'll reach it someday.
Without objective value, words are arbitrary collections of letters with no meaning, that merely instill a "sense" into another person based off of societal ubringing. "Selfish" is a great example - it can mean a bunch of different things (or even nothing at all), but it instills a sense of "that's bad" in everyone that hears it, because being selfish is wrong and evil, right?
EDIT:Don't worry, Teek, we talk like that all the time. Shlup is lazy and stupid. See?Jesus, Mandee, he wasn't getting on your case. That was kind of abrupt and mean.
I about half disagree, but it's a stupid thing to argue about and I don't feel like doing it.
And your FACE is stupid and lazy! *stab*
That's my line you facehead.
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Stop spamming, you pooheads
I like Starbucks. It is yummy. Frappuchinos, mmmm ^_^ The quote is nice too. Only thing I agree with lordblazer is that they shouldn't call their small sizes tall >;o It's not tall, okay? Not even to me! xD
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