thanks to animal testing all animal testing protesters will be able to protest ~20 years longer
thanks to animal testing all animal testing protesters will be able to protest ~20 years longer
I personally don’t think that humans are any more important than animals in the great scheme of things, but I consider myself more important than everybody else. So I’ll have to say that animal testing is fine with me, as long is it isn’t just some frivolous thing.
And if it is frivolous…well, they should probably try to keep that quite…
To be fair, while some animal testing doesn't benefit humans directly (only a handful of animals have enough biological similarities to us to warrant any findings from them to be applicable to humans), it's still the best way of making sure you don't have any major human fatalities. Of course you can't accurately predict what will happen to humans once a drug gets out there, due to general genetic variance. However you can notably reduce the risk of fatality/illness via prior animal testing.
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xDDDOriginally Posted by Not At All Reno
thanks to animal testing all animal testing protesters will be able to protest ~20 years longer
I agree with animal testing for medical purposes. And while in some cases the results can be misleading, it helps a lot.
Plants do not have the capacity to want. It will react according to certain direct stimuli. Saying a plant's "just as much alive" as an animal because they grow towards sunlight or have certain defensive mechanisms is like saying a desk is alive because it will resist breaking. The plant doesn't think, doesn't feel, doesn't cognizantly react - that's just what it does. Thinking and feeling is a very definite line. It's why we consider beating and/or starving dogs to be animal cruelty, but swatting a fly is normal.Let me jsut say this, a plant does not want to die.
Plants are life. They react. Simple as that. My collective point is that while we obviously use plant and animal life, we should do so with respect. As for saying that a plant cannot want anything, this is correct (as far as we know) in the same exact sence that the post by Traitorfish was. What ever verb I use, I use it to stress relation.
Using your arguments, you cannot say that your pet dog wants, or feels as we do. Just because they have reactions, does not mean they "think" the stimulous is negative eh? Who knows if animals do really think and feel in that case... Apples and oranges man...
Bipper
Do plants feel? Yes, probably.
Is anyone in there right mind going to consider them in the same class as animals? No, they would have to be insane.
Thus, does it matter? Nope, not really.
Although it does mean that the first thing I’m going to do tomorrow morning is go outside and stomp on as many plants as I possibly can…
It does matter to the effect that people whom wish to protect animals, but refuse to protect the plants are hypocritical. I just wonder why (IF) people care so much, why do they create these false standards of life. Life is life. These people arn't against death, just against pain. Pain as in pain that people feel. Pain caused only by a nervous system? Seems a little staggering to me.
Bipper
Do plants even have a nervous system?
I dunno, but I does not really matter much to my previous post if thats what your getting at. They definatley don't have a brain and spinal column
I think the correct answer would be no.
Bipper
Well, see, ya kinda need a nervous system to feel pain. Therefor, my question stands... and we have officially gone from animal testing to "do plants feel pain". :rolleyes2
I'm too lazy to read all of this...so I'll just say what I think.
I've been vegetarian for over a year now, so of course, I'm all into animal rights and stuff. But, I'm not totally against animal testing. If it's for things like finding cures or what not, I'm for it. I'm very against testing cosmetics on animals. That's just stupid. Testing products on animals, if it's not for medical research, is just lame in my opinion. Animals feels just as much as humans do.
ugh, look at it metephorically, I really don't know how much clearer to say it. :rolleyes2
In essese, pain is there to warn our bodies of danger that has/or can happen. Plants have reactions that simulate pain. If you want to look at it as they have no nervous system, so they don't feel pain or fear injury or death, that is very imbalanced. You want to personify the same characteristics on an animal, just because they have reactions closer to our own. Plants dont want to die
I know I will get yelled at again for saying want so I better spell it out again. By want, look at a dog who sees a stake waved in his face. He will want it (as far as we can tell, saying want is a pure personficiation though). If a plant wants water, it's roots will grow and reach deeper into the soil, or spread out to catch more saturating rains.
Bipper
plants do not feel pain. and they do not have reactions. to react in that manner requires never cells which they lack. venus fly traps if i rememer correctly are not controlled by a never cell process either but sensitive mechanics. normal plant cells are not capable of transmitting data in anyway like nerve cells.
Stop testing on animals full stop
Plants and animals (and some fungi and bacteria) possess warning-trigger stimuli reactions. Also known as pain. Some plants are BETTER at it than others, but they all have it. If you poke the stems of milkweed, the plant pumps a more toxic form of sap into the wound. If you expose a plant to sunlight, the leaves and stem will bend towards the light (assuming it can).
If you define "pain" by a mechanical definition, then plants do indeed feel it. They can even *remember* it, in that they develop a quicker responce to a stimulus after having been exposed to it repeatedly. So, any definition that matters and extends to animal life, extends to most plants. The only definition of "pain" that doesn't, is the one that says only humans are capable of emotions such as that... an innacurate statement, I believe, but the only one that automatically denies plantlife.
Granted, plants experience and react to pain in different ways than us animals, but they DO experience and react (and attempt to avoid/prevent/retaliate for) "painful" stimuli.
Now, plants and their nature of pain aside, the question of both plant and animal pain remains the same: "Why should we care?"
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