Originally Posted by Hachifusa
For what its worth, even the thought of this propiganda worries me. Hitler couldn't do what he did with out the will of the peaple. It just takes a small oversight, and wham. Seems funny that they call it educational, and they preach thier views. I know they would have points, but if they get enough voters, it will infact be inevitable.
Bipper
people have a nasty habit of giving consent to dictators and wanna-be world rulers. hitler was voted in democratically. will of the people or not it was not a very clever idea.
i think right now we are in the rhineland/austria stage. wanna let it persist til we get to poland and czechoslovakia?
I think your conspiracy theories of the Reichstag fire, and America = Nazi Germany, are very entertaining.
However, I'm also somewhat scared by them. You're as far from reality as PNAC are, probably even further because they're not insane, merely oppressive and selfish.
i think that it's very easy to see the similraties between one country having an attack and then using it to quash civil liberties. then pointing out problems in other countries (like austria where the claimed the germans were being oppressed) and using it to invade. and having a lovely book pointing out that what they want is in fact global leadership in their own interest, in their terms for the benefit of them.
For what it's worth, civil liberties are not (yet) being attacked, here. And where is the book you are talking about? I think as a foreigner you are getting the wrong idea. I have never heard of these people before. We don't have rallies over here supporting them. Already they're not following the Nazi-line. Bush is hardly loved (he's rather mocked); we have no group of people being terrorized; small groups like this one is so small and out of the way that most people don't care or give a damn.
I'm not saying it couldn't logically occur; I'm also not saying that a lot of people will not vote for it. I'm saying that I find it very offensive to continue to read things like "lol america is nazi" - not as an American, but as a human being. I mean, give me a break - Bush is stupid, but hardly the menace that Hitler was. I think you're slapping the faces of all of the opressed people from the Third Reich, here.
Now, let's stop bitching about America, everyone, and talk - what is it about this plan in particular you dislike? How can we stop what it is that you dislike? Is there any good in it (you know how we love to see the good in things that aren't around here)?
Civil liberties are not being attacked yet? The Patriot Act seems like it should fit those qualifications to me.
Oh, I agree with that. I meant in regards to this stupid project, they aren't really talking about limiting civil liberties.
No, but in the long run, if America is to fall, civil liberties has to be the next target. I mean, economic liberty has been slowly declining for a long time now; civil liberties is next, and has begun with documents like the Patriot Act.
Very true. I am just simply saying that this does not supprise me one bit. Althought the Patriot Act is most definatley to fix a national security issue, however its misuse and abuse is bound to happen. To me, it seemed like an M&m; A thin colorful candy layer, with horde of steamy bullin the middle. That is, a good concept, that will obviously be used for the wrong reasons.
Bipper
Which, in turn, turns it into a bad concept.
*nods* that was the point of my post. (i hope)Which, in turn, turns it into a bad concept.
by book i was referncing mein kamph to the various document of the pnac.
the people who are part of these organisation are not tucked away in some remote political stream. we are talking about the head of the world bank, the defence secretary and the vice president. it is small in scale but the amount of power those people wield is huge.
and people have voted for it. or they certainly aren't voting against it. iraq, the lies told about it and the winning of a second term prove that.
it's not a slap in the face to the veterans. it is a wake up call. we are blinded by the fact that it's either our country or our ally "good ole america" that has stated it's cause as world leadership.
and guantanamo bay is a pretty big kick in the teeth for human rights.
Bah I was 13 when bush got elected. My dad said in 2000. "Bush is gona be a horrible president but 4 years won't hurt much." So my mom had me follow politics. I saw the end and doom of its country. Step by Step. I don't even know why I'm studying for college. Whats the purpose of it al? I'm going to die because of some bastards. I never even had a chance to vote. When people tell me "You should've voted." Its like a kick int he nut sack because I couldn't. All we could do is watch. Watch as we slowly enter our doom.. I wish I could change citizenship but no one won't let me. I wish I could find some easy escape, but there is no such thing as an escape. I will die as a person who saw the en dbut was helpless to do anything.
I'm really depressed right now.
Not in reality, but their influence is, yes.
No wonder you hate all Americans everywhere.and people have voted for it. or they certainly aren't voting against it. iraq, the lies told about it and the winning of a second term prove that.
i would say the leader of the world bank, the vice president and defence secretay wield vast amounts of power.
and i don't hate americans. i hate america.
You know, America's globalization of the world under one banner is a remarkable idea, and I don't see how anyone could agree. With American Globalization, we will see a resurgence of unification on a global basis. No longer will we have these terms of immigration, everyone will be American. Chinese American, African American, Native American - none of these terms will be needed any longer, for all people would be considered American, and thus, the world would be more socially just. Chinese and African, etc. would thus be no longer a region and now a description of character, a lineage trait and no longer dated to where the individual came from, eliminating prejudice on where that individual came from, whether asia, the middle east, or africa - it'd all be considered America! How great and revolutionary can one get?! A world in which people are no longer biased based on where you are from!
There would be no need for border checks once the world was under American Globalization. We'd have less need for airport security, because who would want to bomb their own country. Besides, those people would be eliminated in the mass effort to globalize the world. And if we needed their genes for the aesthetic looks they may posess, then we would merely ship them off into isolation on some deserted island with enough provisions to survive for years. Even homes and a government (heavily secured) airport to restock previsions and to protect a power plant and all the other essentials America would provide.
America would have the ability and unlimited resources to put funding into developing third world locations. Inner-cities, to thrid world coutnries would be completely revamped in the globalization process and thus, enhanced to the current potential of society.
People of different backgrounds/views/beliefs would be allotted separate districts of the world they may inhabit, however, would not be restricted to, just where they would feel welcome. They may have to move their entire life and everything they know, be forced to speak another language, and pay a large sum, but in the end, I believe it would justify the means.
America would be able to open a global job market with fair wages for everyone. For all those not believing in the core Global American belief system, they would be forced to work for a significantly less pay than those who do, hopefully to change their minds since they are incapable of seeing the greater good of American Globalization. We'd have a significantly reduced percentage of homeless and jobless as well.
Holy cities of the world would be sanctioned off as restricted areas for tourism and no longer living. No one could claim any holy area in the name of their religion, instead, they'd be forced to share it with eachother, or, if George Bush is able to make this happen, then they'll be counted as Christian relics of the world, and the other cities not involving christianity would be bulldozed to place factories and malls to provide jobs, retail, and entertainment to the masses.
I don't understand how no one understand that only good would come from American Globalization.
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