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    You'll probably still get some feeder bands for awhile.... As for her turning around, it is a definite possibility, but she will have weakend greatly.....

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    The worst should be over by Tuesday

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    the movement has slowed down which is a problem. slower movement means it takes in more water and regains power if it is over a hydrated area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch
    Quote Originally Posted by eestlinc
    Bush could have, perhaps, staffed FEMA with competent experts in disaster management, rather than stuffing it with political hacks as thanks for campaign work. Or, he could take the role of the federal government seriously rather than intentionally undermining the ability of government agencies to operate successfully. You say the state and local governments sucked it up, and they did, but large scale natural disasters are generally beyond the scope of even the best state and local governments.
    Is there anything you DON'T blame on Bush, no matter how far out of the bounds of rationality and logic you have to go to do it? Bush didn't staff FEMA much, and when he did, it wasn't any differently than anybody in the past has. And how has he "intentionally [undermined] the ability of government agencies to operate successfully"? Tell me, which government agencies has he "intentionally" screwed with, just so that they can't operate successfully? And how so?

    There was an extraordinarily large amount of preperations the government of New Orleans and Louisiana could have taken control of before and after Katrina hit that would have greatly lessened the loss of human life and degredation of the city. Much more than the federal government could have done. These governments happen to be run by Democrats ... just thought I'd put that out there. But of course, it's still all Bush's fault.
    To be fair, I don't know how it works down there, but here in Canada, if someplace gets in it deep (no pun intended) the military is called in to lend a hand, pile sandbags, the likes. Because Bush has 'em in Afghanistan, AND Iraq, the U.S. didn't have as much help allocated there.

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    It cannot pull itself so fast so more damage in a massive area for a longer ammount of time.

    It could get to 140MPH MAX if it rehydrates, which I doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch
    Actually, I'm sure Dreddz mentioned "tragic" in regards to what happened to new Orleans, not what happened to gas prices in the UK. When more than 800 people die and somebody mentions "tragic", it's not because it made gas prices go up. Most people value life more than that.
    Not you, though, as previous threads will show- you once said that stopping companies harming people was 'stupid'.
    Anyway, Dreddz should have made himself more clear.

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    I'm confused why it won't show up on google earth anymore.

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    You could see it on Google Earth? I wish I knew that, I would have checked it out.

    Hit the other day...once it all settles, we'll see how bad the damage is...

    Quote Originally Posted by Traitorfish
    Not you, though, as previous threads will show- you once said that stopping companies harming people was 'stupid'.
    Anyway, Dreddz should have made himself more clear.
    A normal person wouldn't have to clarify that "tragic" was referring to the loss of life and the destruction, not the few extra cents at the pump. Everybody else understood that, just not you.

    And wrong again -- I said that your idea of shutting down every company that might have had something to do with one early death was stupid and would result in every company shutting down, period. And it wasn't in a thread, it was in a PM that you sent me ater getting stomped every which way in a public thread.

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    You could see it using some kind of refresh button that isn't on anymore.

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    http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...icle314510.ece

    Super-powerful hurricanes now hitting the United States are the "smoking gun" of global warming, one of Britain's leading scientists believes.

    The growing violence of storms such as Katrina, which wrecked New Orleans, and Rita, now threatening Texas, is very probably caused by climate change, said Sir John Lawton, chairman of the Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution. Hurricanes were getting more intense, just as computer models predicted they would, because of the rising temperature of the sea, he said. "The increased intensity of these kinds of extreme storms is very likely to be due to global warming."

    In a series of outspoken comments - a thinly veiled attack on the Bush administration, Sir John hit out at neoconservatives in the US who still deny the reality of climate change.

    Referring to the arrival of Hurricane Rita he said: "If this makes the climate loonies in the States realise we've got a problem, some good will come out of a truly awful situation." As he spoke, more than a million people were fleeing north away from the coast of Texas as Rita, one of the most intense storms on record, roared through the Gulf of Mexico. It will probably make landfall tonight or early tomorrow near Houston, America's fourth largest city and the centre of its oil industry. Highways leading inland from Houston were clogged with traffic for up to 100 miles north.

    There are real fears that Houston could suffer as badly from Rita just as New Orleans suffered from Hurricane Katrina less than a month ago.

    Asked what conclusion the Bush administration should draw from two hurricanes of such high intensity hitting the US in quick succession, Sir John said: "If what looks like is going to be a horrible mess causes the extreme sceptics about climate change in the US to reconsider their opinion, that would be an extremely valuable outcome."

    Asked about characterising them as "loonies", he said: "There are a group of people in various parts of the world ... who simply don't want to accept human activities can change climate and are changing the climate."

    "I'd liken them to the people who denied that smoking causes lung cancer."

    With his comments, Sir John becomes the third of the leaders of Britain's scientific establishment to attack the US over the Bush government's determination to cast doubt on global warming as a real phenomenon.

    Sir John's comments follow and support recent research, much of it from America itself, showing that hurricanes are getting more violent and suggesting climate change is the cause.

    A paper by US researchers, last week in the US journal Science, showed that storms of the intensity of Hurricane Katrina have become almost twice as common in the past 35 years.

    Although the overall frequency of tropical storms worldwide has remained broadly level since 1970, the number of extreme category 4 and 5 events has sharply risen. In the 1970s, there was an average of about 10 category 4 and 5 hurricanes per year but, since 1990, they have nearly doubled to an average of about 18 a year. During the same period, sea surface temperatures, among the key drivers of hurricane intensity, have increased by an average of 0.5C (0.9F).

    Sir John said: "Increasingly it looks like a smoking gun. It's a fair conclusion to draw that global warming, caused to a substantial extent by people, is driving increased sea surface temperatures and increasing the violence of hurricanes."
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    Not just global warming I reckon.

    Natural cycles of the seas letting warmer currents into the waters ever 10-60 years is more believable as this "Cycle" has passed before last century.

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    It's quite likely a combination of natural and manmade factors, but a large percentage of greenhouse gas emissions are manmade, so we're obviously not helping anything.
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    this particular point in time may have been bad already. though there is actually limited accurate data going back far enough to see a real pattern.

    but man made co2 (the vast majority of the stuff) and global warming because of it is only going to make a bad situation worse.

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    Tropical Storm now peeps.

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    Well once it hits land, it loses its power relatively quickly.

    Few "neoconservatives" believe Global Warming is entirely false. We just question whether it's the result of human operations, or the natural cycle in climate change that's supposedly been going on for billions of years. And since there's not really a way to prove it, there's not much we can do from there. (Emissions have gone up, and global warming is starting to take affect. That doesn't mean it's because emissions have gone up. I guess most liberals tend to forget the big "global cooling" scare they tried back in the 70s.)

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