HahahahahahaOriginally Posted by ShlupQuack
I'm under the impression that Moore is just as nuts as Coulter, he's just going the route of playing the sad-for-the-world martyr, while Coulter plays the look-at-me-say-crazy-game.
That's the most accurate description about those two that I've seen yet. xD
I'm still yet to see how making a few, or even a lot of, inaccurate statements is anywhere near on the same level as railing out against drug addicts for a decade while being addicted to Oxycontin yourself, or calling for the deaths of journalists just because their views happen to differ from yours. But I guess I'm not going to get a straight-up answer on that.
lmfao, I approve of this statement (even though I don't agree with it 100%)I'm under the impression that Moore is just as nuts as Coulter, he's just going the route of playing the sad-for-the-world martyr, while Coulter plays the look-at-me-say-crazy-
Not at all. It's just that I don't have extremely strong opinions on the subject, so I don't go looking for stuff to verify or contradict his statements. I just watch them, take it in, maybe contemplate a little, and move on with life. I won't object to reading it--that website certainly was interesting. I just don't go out looking for it.
And I'd never consider Moore as crazy as Coulter, but then, I'm not a Christain, so my views on that subject would be very obviously biased.
Boil it down and he's just a spinner. Most of them are. So don't be spun.
I agree with Shlup. Ignorant and classless. I hope she really said that and I'm not misquoting, because that'd make you guys debase me for one little mistake. I mean what?
Oh, and he's not that good at the art portion of filmmaking either. Editting is bad and whatnot. I think he's a big dumdum. He makes me just as mad as Anne Coulter does, but Anne Coulter Anne Coulter ANNE COULTER dislkdnaskdlakjdsakl she is not cute dammit!
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Yeah, Ann Coulter's in a category of her own.
Ok, so I rephrase: Michael Moore's along the same lines as Sean Hannity. Idiots, but idiots of a milder degree that aren't completely retarded.
EDIT: And I stand by my statement that Al Franken's the only funny liberal wacko. And he's pretty damn funny.
Yea, Micheal Moore's funny... but a sad funny. So fat.
But if it wasn't for Micheal Moore, Team America would have been significantly less awesome. That's an undeniable contribution to American filmmaking.
According to someone on my message board, Moore's actually lost a lot of weight in the last year or so. But he still needs to hit the weights.
And "Moore is the Hannity of the left" I can live with.
Hahahaha, at the last concert I went to, there was some guy who looked just like Michael Moore...and the kids in front of me are like, "Oh my god! It's Michael Moore! He's gonna eat us! Run away!"
That's your criticism? That's suppossed to be an intelligent statement? God...Yea, Micheal Moore's funny... but a sad funny. So fat.
Most of the anti-Moore arguments seem to be 'I dislike the facts he states' or 'I hate anyone with veiws that contradict my own tiny-minded ones'. Everyone on this topic just goes 'Oh, yeah, Moore's and idiot' without actually adding anything useful. People only hate Moore because they want to believe the idiotic facts and ideas that their given by the government, but he (Skillfully) tears them to shreads, and leaves people with the realisation that the world's in a pretty sucky state. Some people try to change this, others just gripe and try to return to their fluffy-pink-dream-world.
If you cana't wake up and look at the world around you, then don't bother lecturing others on the evils of 'Liberal nut-jobs'. They called Martin Luther King things like that, you know. I'm not saying that Moore is as great a man as Dr.King, but nobody cares for the self-righteous opinions of a few hateful neo-conservatives.
Anyway, Moore isn't out to make money- he's been doing this for years. He wrote a left wing newspaper in the 80s (The Flint/Michigan Voice) and made Roger & Me, his first movie, when he was unemployed and going nowhere. He saw something bad, and wanted to change it. If that's wrong to you, you live in a screwed-up world.
Deriding someone's intellgence for a statement differing from your own opinion is a good way to get you banned from this forum. In fact, it just did. See you in two weeks.
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Traitor, there are a lot of other points that are brought up in his article. Namely his method of completley distrorting the truth, and assuming manythings to get his theory from point a to point b. That is why I don't like him.
I am not going to pretend like the rest of the world is peachy in any means. I know somthign smells like facism, and that we are a thorne in the side of the world in some points. This is not about that, this is a bout a bulbous man, whom makes fictions, and calls it a documentory and thusly it gets labeld as documentry and passes on as raw fact. I absolutley HATE it. Like Azar said, it did allow plenty of material for Team America World Police. So I guess we can appreciate its cultural value, and rest easy knowing that actual intelligent people exist, whom know the smell of steamy piles of crap when they cross em.
Shlup was mereley aiding the point that he is indeed a fat sad man. Who cares? She also added many personal views, and I belive refered to Farehinhype 911, which gets her a cookie!
I know, people don't like apposing views, and will simply shrug many people off as nuttjobs. However, the main difference between MLK jr and Moore is that MLK was right, and although he stood on a sedimental case, he prevailed. Moore is fighting a case of facts; and his weapon of choice seems to be bull
Bipper
Hahaha xD
So no, he's not doing it for the money. :rolleyes2
On to the next statement.
That could be interesting, however, it's also false. The idea for Roger & me, and most of the documentation comes from union acitivists from Flint who thought at the time that Moore would help them, but quickly removed all mentions of their work/fight for GM employees to make it a movie about Moore. Read for yourself.He wrote a left wing newspaper in the 80s (The Flint/Michigan Voice) and made Roger & Me, his first movie, when he was unemployed and going nowhere. He saw something bad, and wanted to change it. If that's wrong to you, you live in a screwed-up world.
Also, it should be noted that Moore isn't from Flint (low class suburb), but from Davison (upper middle class suburb).
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OK, I can stand guys like Bipper, who know what they're talking about, even if I disagree with their veiws. But you're talking complete rubbish.Hahaha xD
So no, he's not doing it for the money. :rolleyes2
On to the next statement.
That could be interesting, however, it's also false. The idea for Roger & me, and most of the documentation comes from union acitivists from Flint who thought at the time that Moore would help them, but quickly removed all mentions of their work/fight for GM employees to make it a movie about Moore. Read for yourself.He wrote a left wing newspaper in the 80s (The Flint/Michigan Voice) and made Roger & Me, his first movie, when he was unemployed and going nowhere. He saw something bad, and wanted to change it. If that's wrong to you, you live in a screwed-up world.
Also, it should be noted that Moore isn't from Flint (low class suburb), but from Davison (upper middle class suburb).
Firstly, how does stating he lives in Manhattan make him 'doing it for the money'? Lots of people live in Manhattan. You're quote is entirely out of context, and meaningless as you used it.
As for the second quote, I dare say that it too is out of context, as few people announce that they are a multi-millionaire for no reason. Not even idiots like Bush. Also, I fail to see how the fact he comes from the suburb of a town (Flint is a town, not a suburb) means his veiws are less valid. Lenin was an upper-middle class lawyer. So were Castro and Trotsky. Che Guevara was a doctor. Ghandi was pretty well off aswell.
To Bipper: I don't think your accusation of 'distorting facts' is justified- Moore does, I admit, tend to favour statistics that add to his argument, but so does anyone. He's a left-wing activist, he's not trying to conduct and economic study. And compared to many people, such as Mr. Bush, he's pretty honest- he may say things like '60% of American adults aged 18-25 cannot locate the UK on a map', a seemingly random statistic, but he has never said anything like 'There are WMDs in Iraq'.
Wait, you can't stand me because I disgree with your view of Moore? Weren't you the one saying that "Most of the anti-Moore arguments seem to be 'I dislike the facts he states' or 'I hate anyone with veiws that contradict my own tiny-minded ones'", yet you fall into that same way?
The first quote is from one of his books (Stupid White Men). The second from a presentation he gave.
Where he comes from has a lot of relevance to his claim that he "comes from Flint", since he doesn't. He didn't grow up in a poor suburb/town or a poor family, but in a middle class suberb in a well doing family (with complete healthcare, too). Same goes with the Roger & Me origin. He didn't make it because he was feeling down or jobless or from Flint with the intent to help the employees of GM. The union activists there know he didn't. I mean, he didn't even credit them for the work they did in regards to defending the workers there. Did you even read the page I linked to, or were you too scared it would oppose your narrowminded view that Moore is the new prophet? Making movies is his job, he knows (and I'll admit that) well how to sell them and get the medias attention. Unionists in Flint would have given the profits of the movie to families who suffered from GM cutting down jobs, what did Moore do with the money?
Since you're talking about Gandhi, what did Gandhi do to fight for freedom? Bought a house in the most expensive part of the biggest city? Or on the contrary gave up, well, pretty much everything? Che Guevara, did he stay in a rich neighborhood, or didn't he go on the field through the hardships?
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MATT DAMON!But if it wasn't for Micheal Moore, Team America would have been significantly less awesome. That's an undeniable contribution to American filmmaking.
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