No, she was distraught when she was worrying that the fake Cloud she knew- who basically turned out to be Zack to her perception- was nothing more than a Sephiroth created illusion. She was actually rather calm and sedate when she learned Cloud was mostly Zack.Your point that Aerith was distraught when she found out Cloud wasn't really Cloud, but mostly Zack is a point in both your favor and mine, Ryushikaze.
EXCUSE ME? "Oh, you've been living a lie these past four months and the man I thought I met is nothing more than the cobbled together remnants of the psyche of your best friend and my old boyfriend? MARRY ME!"When you love someone, even if it's not the real them, just some act that they have, when you find out that it's an act, you don't just stop loving them.
Yeah, No.
She knew him even less than she thought. She thought that the 'real him' was Zacklike, after all.This is why Aerith's feelings were shattered, because she still loved Cloud even though she barely knew the real him.
Affectionately, like a Mother. What's so hard to figure out from the passages in Maiden after Tifa restores Cloud's fragmented psyche?I think that if she had still been alive when he learned of his true identity, Aerith's feelings towards him would have allowed her to eventually learn to love the real Cloud as well. She obviously still has some kind of feelings for him, else she wouldn't have stayed around to make sure everything was okay with him in Advent Children. Whether it was just friends or love we will never know, but she still definitely cared for Cloud, so I think she could very easily love the real Cloud.
Besides, Aerith's emotions are themselves a red herring. Cloud's emotions are all that matters, and I really shouldn't be giving anything other than that the time of day.
A pointless minigame with little relevance to the overall plot which is played primarily for comedic effect and which is actually determined by each choice's affection for Cloud and not the other way around? Is THAT the evidence you speak of?A number of other things seen throughout the game are evidence that the creators meant for it to be Aerith and Cloud. The most obvious piece of which, is that Aerith is the default date.
How is this relevant? Even granting that these are anything more than smegging game mechanics like HP and MP, these values don't represent anything more than each choice's opinion of the Fragmented mind Cloud of the early game. Aerith likes the fake Cloud best, Tifa'd prefer the old Cloud with his own mind to his current off kilter state, Yuffie's acting the schoolgirl, and Barret is a heterosexual male.Unless you realluy f*** things up you're going to go out with either Aeris or Tifa. If you hack the game, you can actually learn that there are affection values set at the beginning of the game for the four characters Cloud can date (Aerith, Tifa, Yuffie, and Barret). Aerith's is set at 50, Tifa's at 30, Yuffie at 10, and Barret at 0.
You quote the flashback, but neglect CLOUD'S OWN WORDS? For shame. What is Cloud's reply? A curt, simple 'Not interested'. He says it twice, once with Aerith in the room for her to hear. And if you want to say 'all throughout', you had better be damn prepared to show it, good sir.Next point, is that all throughout the game they drop hints that Aerith would be good for Cloud. It's been a while since I've played the game so I can only remember a few. The one that most readily comes to mind is in the Nibelheim flashback. Cloud goes to his mother's house and she starts talking about girlfriends. She says something along the lines of "you should have an older girlfriend". Other than Barret (who was just thrown into the date mechanics as a joke) Aerith is the only person Cloud can go out with that is older than him.
BTW- 'Aside from Barret' is a case of special pleading.
Barret says 'Yeah, I figured you'd do that, or a variant on that', no matter the selection. If we must attribute deeper meaning to Barret's words, let us remember that it is coming out of the jaded and cynical mouth of Barret. It's far more likely Barret just meant "Yeah, I knew you'd take the chicks, ya damn chocobo headed punk"
Still, arguing from author's intent is almost as smegging useless as Cait's fortune telling. People on either side of the argument should probably choose to avoid it in the future if they aren't already.
Addendum: The exception, of course, is when an author states their intent. Thanks to the latest Advent Supplement, Reunion Files, there are now some direct statements. Nomura refers to Tifa as many things, including a Lover (Koibito), and Nojima said that from the start, one thing that was absolutely concrete about the movie was that Cloud and Tifa would be together.
So... yeah. That's basically that, now ain't it? Direct, authoritative, unequivocal statements of intent from the two major creators.
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