some theologians say that it was predicted that someone would betray christ, christ knew this and wanted it as it was required to save the human race, so in a way Judas helped out lots there and is probably drinking ambrosia with him right nowOriginally Posted by Traitorfish
Commiting suicide is a big no-no in many religions, as your life is to be relinquished by God, not by yourself. It's probably equal to killing another person, same principal, different target. However every sin is considered equal in the eyes of the Lord, so a person who did everything right except lying once about eating all the chocolate, and a mass-murderer who raped children, stole food from hobos, and had his end away constantly, are both equally prunable unless they ask for forgiveness. Then again a person with a perfect life who doesn't follow Jesus is also destined for Hell.
What's interesting is how the idea of the knowledge of Jesus works. It goes like this. If you go your entire life without hearing the word of Jesus, say if you're some random tribesmen, then you're given the benefit of the doubt so to speak. However, the moment you hear the word of Jesus, then you're obliged to either follow his teachings and devote your life to him, or go straight to Hell. Now comes the interesting part. Once you become a Christian, part of your duties is to "save" people by bringing them the word of Jesus. But it's somewhat backwards, as once you've told someone of the Word, you've essentially condemned them unless they also follow Jesus. A cunning scheme to be sure.
This all, of course, is completely irrelevant if you happen to be anything but a Christian. I would be an atheist. So I'd say black abyss of nothingness for me. I probably won't even know I'm dead, since my brain will have been starved of oxygen, thusly causing me to lose all thinking ability.
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Judas is forever damned to suffer on the 9th level of hell,
along with the traitors Brutus and Cain.
I forget which part of the Bible it's in, but it's there.
Anyhoo, keeping with the religious theme, I told a little girl
there was no such thing as Santa, The Easter Bunny, etc on
Easter Sunday.
I've got a doodle in my noodle and his name is Minky Boodle!!!
Cidism?
Yeah, I'm a purgatory man mysef. Y'know, SERGIO PURGATORY MASTER OF THE FIVE REALMS. Alternate persona
Really? He shouldn't be the last guy to go there? In fact, because he was so far from 'evil' it makes sense that he was there. Who else would you trust? And he's a strong guy.Actually, according to the Gospel, Jesus did go to Hell when he died.
Also, I didn't mean Jesus, I meant a Jesus. Like myself. But if the main Jesus man can get in to hell, then so can a little one like me. Unless, like I said, it's 'cause he was so good that he was in hell. In that case, I don't know if I'm authorised.
I knew you were joking. I was joking. Ha ha ha, he he he, Willy Wonka, Wil...And the "Seventh Circle of Hell" thing is just sarcasm. I'm in Wisconsin. Maybe only the Sixth Circle, until winter hits.
You disagree so strongly with the concept of forgiveness?
True. A lot of people say suicide means Hell because there's no chance for you to ask forgiveness after you kill yourself, which is a sin. But many believe that asking forgiveness means forgiveness for everything we have done and everything we will ever do...which makes sense, unless your Catholic and confess everything to a priest.
Very true. The concept is that one sin makes us unworthy to be in Heaven with God, unless we're forgiven for it. One little white lie or the most sinful life you can imagine, and either way, we're not worthy, unless we're forgiven.However every sin is considered equal in the eyes of the Lord, so a person who did everything right except lying once about eating all the chocolate, and a mass-murderer who raped children, stole food from hobos, and had his end away constantly, are both equally prunable unless they ask for forgiveness.
If it was possible to live a "perfect life", we wouldn't need forgiveness. And if somebody did live a perfect life, with absolutely no sin whatsoever, they would get into Heaven.Then again a person with a perfect life who doesn't follow Jesus is also destined for Hell.
Of course, what we believe won't affect what will happen...if I believe I'll be turned into a chicken when I die, that doesn't mean I will.I would be an atheist. So I'd say black abyss of nothingness for me. I probably won't even know I'm dead, since my brain will have been starved of oxygen, thusly causing me to lose all thinking ability.
well i dont beleive in hell buy if it exists im on a one way trip there
Mr.is coming to get you!!!
Interesting... I never thought of it like that before.some theologians say that it was predicted that someone would betray christ, christ knew this and wanted it as it was required to save the human race, so in a way Judas helped out lots there and is probably drinking ambrosia with him right now
You know, according to Dante's Inferno, the inner-most part of hell is a frozen lake, and the worst murderers are frozen, up to the neck, in it. In the middle of it sits big old Satan, and the very worst people, traitors and the like, are actually frozen up to the neck inside Satan's mouth.
Of course, it is important to make a destinction between traitors and traitorfish, who are not evil, but are abso-smegging-lutely brilliant, and end up partying with Jesus, after living for half a million years of being bloody great. Cos were just that great!
Nope, just in everything your God stands for. Which, BTW, isn't forgiveness.You disagree so strongly with the concept of forgiveness?
Formerly: Autumn Rain
Going to hell?
No. I am completely sure of it.
Jesus was crucified to be the ultimate sacrifice to save from the death of the soul that sin brings. The Jews had used animal sacrifices that had to be performed countless many times, but Jesus' death as a perfect person was the sacrifice that lasts for ever and for everyone.
He was a part of God to be perfect, and Jesus was human so that he could die. "Fully God and fully man"
However, the wages of sin is death, and since Jesus was given the sins of all men for all times to be his, it stands to reason that he must go to Hell for it. The days in hell aren't elaborated on, but forty days after that was the ascension back to heaven ^_^
I heard that- he had to do something to forgive mankind of their sins, so people could go to heaven- apparently, before him, no one was aloud into heaven, but afterwards, people were. Though, if you heard some tell it, you'd find it hard to believe that were not all going straight to hell.
Last edited by Traitorfish; 09-28-2005 at 11:44 PM. Reason: various mistakes
It's fairly obvious you don't know much about what "my God" stands for. Especially considering that you don't know who "my God" is -- I've helped to explain Christianity. But let me get this straight...we're all sinners, and "my God" is willing to forgive us to let us get into Heaven instead of going to Hell like we deserve...and that's bad?Nope, just in everything your God stands for. Which, BTW, isn't forgiveness.You disagree so strongly with the concept of forgiveness?
Boy pleanty of you guys are going to hell at least so you've said and living in it or have been there...dude
We are born into sin, since the origional sin. If that means that I have the sins of all my fathers on my head, I have a LOT of explaining to do
I know, Cain is called a traitor, but I don't get why he was. He killed Abel. Murderer, not a traiter in my eyes. When I read the story, and several references, I figured that the Idea of murder had not been around yet, and so Cain creating this sin, was a huge mistake. It has been said he felt guilt or anger afterwards, before he was banished. Thus, I have seen it as the conception of violence. Anyways, the action had not been strictly forbidden before that. Though, it was obviously a sin, it seems that Cain may have felt guild as he wandered into the land of Nod. Either way, I hope he found peace. Though I am sure the flood wiped out his reminance, and the pestulance of his kindred.
Also, to celar up another point, as Opt had stated, the gates of hell are locked from the inside. When a Christian dies, the go to sleep with the lord, and wait for judgement. Revelations states that the gates/jaws will be opened etc. The dead rise to be judged as such. The dead in the area of the crucifiction were also resurected on the day of Christ's death. Interesting enough.
Jesus was the first to die and be ressurected. This is definatley stated all over the NT. Jesus did this, so that all faithful followers could obtain the gift of heaven. Anywas, yes, to await judgment, we sleep with the lord. When we awake, we are to be judged.
Bipper
But bip, you're still using the word judgement. That connotes someone
else judging the person who died, when in fact the actual doctrine is that
when a Christian dies, they have the ability to choose either heaven or
hell. To those whose perspectives are corrupted by sin, hell looks like
heaven. For instance, someone who only cares about money might see
flowing rivers of gold, and all the power and beautiful women he can
imagine. So he will choose that.
Actually the movie What Dreams May Come paints a pretty accurate
portrait of heaven...though hell has a few more fallacies. Anyway, one of
the best scenes is where Robin Williams is slowly beginning to get used to
his surroundings. He asks Cuba Gooding Jr., "where's God in all of this?"
Cuba says that God is out there, screaming down at the top of his lungs
and wondering why we can't hear him. This is purgatory, but once Williams
starts to "hear" God calling him, he enters heaven. Those in hell have lost
the ability, through their own will, to hear God calling. So anyone who
wanted to leave hell could if they just listen to God calling them. But
they won't because they've been corrupted.
Keep in mind this is just doctrine, not personal belief.
.opt
Last edited by Optium; 10-01-2005 at 12:05 AM.
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