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    http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mh...he_porn_of_war
    On November 15, 2004, a report on CNN.com briefly described a clash in the Iraqi city of Baquba, including an insurgent attack with rocket-propelled grenades on members of the First Infantry Division, in which four American soldiers were wounded. CNN did not post any images of the battle, and the incident wasn't given much attention in other media.

    But visitors to the amateur porn website nowthatssmurfedup.com were given a much closer view of the action: "today in baquba we got into the again and got some of it on vid.....this is me and my wingman smurfin some up when these smurfs shot 3 rpg's at us so we took down the whole spot.....look for yourself...the fight lasted like 85 mins total and they are still counting up the bodies."

    The poster, an anonymous soldier identified only as "Stress_Relief," uploaded two videos of the clash onto the website, drawing enthusiastic responses from patrons: "nice work, guys. Keep blasting those mujadeen [sic] bastards."

    Originally created as a site for men to share images of their sexual partners, this site has taken the concept of user-created content to a grim new low: US troops stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan are invited to display graphic battlefield photos apparently taken with their personal digital cameras. And thousands of people are logging on to take a look.

    The website has become a stomach-churning showcase for the pornography of war--close-up shots of Iraqi insurgents and civilians with heads blown off, or with intestines spilling from open wounds. Sometimes photographs of mangled body parts are displayed: Part of the game is for users to guess what appendage or organ is on display.

    One soldier who goes by the alias "shottyintheboddy" said in an e-mail exchange with The Nation that he posts combat images on the site because it gives civilians a more accurate view of his life in Iraq. "I mostly take interest in the response of civis back home. Most know what CNN tells them and couldn't hack it here," the soldier wrote. He added that he recommended the site to his fellow soldiers, and knows others who post.

    Chris Wilson of Lakeland, Florida, said in an interview that he created the site in 2004 as a simple Internet pornography venture: Users post amateur pictures--supposedly of their wives or girlfriends--and for a $10 registration fee, others can take a look. He claims there are about 150,000 registered users on the site, 45,000 of whom are military personnel. Of the 130,000 unique visitors who come to the site daily, Wilson estimates that 30 percent of the traffic, or 39,000 unique users, are US military personnel.

    Early on in his Internet venture, Wilson said, he encountered a problem--potential military customers in Iraq and Afghanistan couldn't pay for membership, because credit card companies were blocking charges from "high-risk" countries like Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Not wanting to shortchange US troops, Wilson established a rule that if users posted an authentic picture proving they were stationed overseas, they would be granted unlimited access to the site's pornography. The posting began, sometimes of benign images of troops leaning against their tanks, but graphic combat images also began to appear. As of September 20, there were 244 graphic battlefield images and videos available to members.

    Why would a site devoted to sex also reduce the horrors of combat to a spectator sport? According to one expert, this confluence of pornography and violent combat images may have roots in the way the human brain processes high-arousal information.

    "For some people, any arousal--it doesn't matter if it is a negative image or a pornographic image--if it takes away the boring humdrum of everyday existence, it's all the better," says David Zald, a Vanderbilt University psychologist who studies how the brain processes emotional stimuli.

    Some of the images on nowthatssmurfup.com appear to be of Iraqi insurgents--one soldier posted eight graphic photos of a person he claimed was a suicide bomber who accidentally detonated before he got close to US troops. "Wow. Nice set of pics. Amazing how the face just wrapped off," is the response from another user.

    Other images appear to be of Iraqi civilians. A series of photos showing two men slumped over in a pickup truck, with nothing visible above their shoulders except a red mass of brain matter and bone, is described as "an Iraqi driver and passenger that tried to run a checkpoint during the first part of OIF." The post goes on to say that "the bad thing about shooting them is that we have to clean it up." Another post, labeled "dead shopkeeper in Iraq," does not explain how the subject of the photo ended up with a large bullet hole in his back but offers the quip "I guess he had some unsatisfied customers."

    Officials at the Defense Department and at US Central Command in Tampa Bay, Florida, shied away from any direct comments about military personnel posting combat images on Wilson's porn site, claiming a firewall blocks viewing of such material from their office computers.

    But Centcom spokesman Matt McLaughlin said that, in general, "Centcom recognizes DoD regulations and the Geneva Convention prohibit photographing detainees or mutilating and/or degrading dead bodies." He added, "Centcom has no specific policy on taking pictures of the deceased as long as those pictures do not violate the aforementioned prohibitions."

    The fact that US military officials refuse to denounce combat photos posted on a porn site is troubling, since the very act of posting pictures of dead civilians for entertainment value is degrading. In addition, one photograph of detainees sitting on the back of a flatbed truck with burlap sacks on their heads does appear to break even the narrow rules on photographing detainees set forth by the Defense Department.

    Christopher Conway, a Defense Department spokesman, noted that Internet technology has been beneficial for combat troops; according to Conway, troops link up via the Internet to share information about "lessons learned" on the battlefield.

    "They're very adept at using technology," Conway said. But he acknowledged that "technology is a double-edged sword."

    As the Internet has given bloggers powerful tools of communication outside the realm of the mainstream media, it has also given soldiers the ability to relay their experiences in ways Americans will never get from traditional news sources.

    But the posts on www.nowthatssmurfedup.com are not meant to subvert the sanitized mainstream media with the goal of waking the general public up to the horrors of war. Rather, all of the posters--and many of the site's patrons--appear to regard the combat photos with sadistic glee, and pathological wisecracks follow almost every post.

    If there is any redeeming value to such a clearinghouse for images of destruction and death, it would rest in the site's ability to offer an unflinching look at the obscenity of war--and war's impact on the psyches of the soldiers called to fight it.
    If you want a less left-leaning source than The Nation, there's an AP story about it here.
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    Well; I dont' see anything explicitly wrong with it.. though I know I won't be visiting anytime soon. Now need for me to see what I already know.

    But ... just wow.... didn't realize something like that was going on. Though viewing with sadistic glee? Makes me wonder even more about the human race in general.


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    The fact that people are disgusting jerks is not news.

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    What they put up there is not disgusting, its just true. Although it is stomach churning to know that is happening there i say if they wanna, go ahead. Any source outside of American sources about things happening there is good.

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    What disturbs me is the fact that this seems to be indicating a rather high level of bloodlust in our army, which can easily lead to things like the atrocities that occured in Vietnam. Not that such a thing isn't expected, of course, but it is disturbing nonetheless.

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    I just think it's sick people LIKE looking at those pictures. The visuals in my head are nasty, I'm trying to forget them. ;_;

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    Quote Originally Posted by lionx
    What they put up there is not disgusting, its just true. Although it is stomach churning to know that is happening there i say if they wanna, go ahead. Any source outside of American sources about things happening there is good.
    I'm not referring to the sharing of information, I'm referring to their reactions; the fact that the soldiers enjoy posting pictures of dead people and other people enjoy looking at them. I'm all for sharing information, and I think war photos are important to help people understand what war is, but saying, "Keep blasting those mujadeen [sic] bastards," and looking forward to seeing more bloody corpses makes you a dick.

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    Ohhh THAT...cant argue with you there...it does give me a shiver down the spine...~_~;

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    Some people get a thrill from that kind of stuff. Unfortunately, such stuff is an "escalation" device for serial killers. Yeah, those "neonatal" psychopaths, they continue to get worse, and this helps them. It won't *make* someone a monster, unless you get them exposed at a very young age, but it will help some monsters mature faster, and probably allow a few who would have never made that leap on their own. Disturbing and sick symptom of disturbing and sick cultures (and this isn't just america, thank you, it's every other country with easy access to the internet.)
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    it's not the people that are looking at it you should be concerned with it's the people posting them.

    and then you realise who you are dealing with. the us military. the same military that photographically recorded the sexual abuse and torture of inmates.

    this is nothing suprising.

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    Is this not on par with the graphic images of dead Coalition soldiers Al Jazera show which Americans condemn?

    This is not 'sharing information' it is bloodlust and intregue of the worst kind. Everyone needs to know the death toll of this conflict and everyone needs to know the truth, what people don't NEED is graphic pictures of the aftermath posted on a website with fat gun-totting yellow-ribbon patriots shouting YEE HAW while drinking beer. If it was truely to 'share information' and keep people informed, surely it would not be on a Porn website with only the Iraqi deaths now would it?

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    al jazera does not show immensely graphic pictures when compared to western media.

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    As far as I know, people aren't trading the images on Al-Jazeera for porn. That's the real issue here; the fact that these images are being traded for porn attaches a sexual dimension to them that is, frankly, rather sick.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050928/...E0BHNlYwN0bWE-

    The U.S. Army after a brief inquiry has failed to determine whether U.S. soldiers provided grisly photos of people killed in the Iraq war to a porn Web site in exchange for free access to it, officials said on Wednesday

    The numerous graphic pictures posted on the Web site showed men, with their faces visible and wearing what looked like U.S. military uniforms, standing over a charred corpse, mutilated dead bodies and severed body parts.

    The porn Web site states the photos were provided by troops in Iraq as well as Afghanistan in order to get free access to its sexual images. Many of the photos, still posted on the site, are accompanied by captions making light of the corpses; for example one photo of a charred body was dubbed "Cooked Iraqi."

    The Army Criminal Investigation Command in Iraq conducted the preliminary inquiry within the past week but closed it after concluding no felony crime had been committed and failing to determine whether U.S. soldiers were responsible for the photos and whether they showed actual war dead, Army officials said.

    Col. Joe Curtin, an Army spokesman at the Pentagon, said there currently was no formal investigation into the matter.

    "We're not blowing this off," Curtin said. "If the Army thinks it's in its interest to investigate something, we will. There are multiple challenges here. One is the anonymity of the sources, dates, times, locations, units, anything that is reasonably identifiable that we can work off of."

    This controversy over the photographs involving U.S. military personnel comes a year and a half after other pictures taken by U.S. soldiers became public in April 2004 showing them abusing and sexually humiliating Iraqi prisoners at the Abu Ghraib jail, a scandal that prompted international condemnation of the United States.

    'CURSORY INVESTIGATION'

    The Washington-based Muslim civil rights group Council on American-Islamic Relations, which had called for an investigation into the allegations of photos of corpses swapped for pornography, called the probe insufficient.

    "It's entirely inappropriate for the military to do such a cursory investigation of something that is really casting a very negative light on our nation's military and can only serve to further damage America's image and interests throughout the Islamic world," said Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the group.

    Hooper said the military must determine who was involved and whether the conduct violated U.S. military law and international laws governing conduct during wartime, including the Geneva Conventions.

    Curtin said the Army was not ruling out the possibility of opening a formal criminal investigation. "Any time new information becomes available that's credible, yes, they potentially could reopen the case," he said.

    The Web site separates the corpse pictures from its sexual images. According to an article in the Online Journalism Review of the Annenberg School for Communications at the University of Southern California, the site's owner, Chris Wilson, lives in Lakeland, Florida, but hosts the site out of Amsterdam. The article quotes Wilson as saying the site's images of nude female U.S. soldiers in Iraq and photos of war dead provide a "raw" account of war.

    Officials said that while the Army's preliminary inquiry had determined no felony act had taken place, soldiers potentially could be punished for conduct unbecoming a soldier, which generally brings administrative sanctions.

    Without confirming the authenticity of the photos or who took them, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said, "This does not represent the values of the United States military, and doesn't represent the vast majority of the actions and behavior of our men and women in uniform. It is a despicable practice. It's unacceptable. And the department is going to address it."

    Curtin said the military was examining policies, procedures and legal implications of how soldiers transmit photos from the battlefield, and could consider limiting troops' use of their own personal computers or cameras in a combat zone.

    "The military must be very careful in not violating an individual's First Amendment rights," Curtin said, referring to the constitutional right of free expression.

    "Soldiers encounter the horrors of war, and they are able to record it," Curtin said. "You mix it with the porn site, now you muddy the waters."

    Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter Schoomaker on Wednesday sent a message about "Internet Safety" to U.S. soldiers, but focused on restrictions on images that could compromise operational security on the battlefield. Curtin said the message was unrelated to the corpse photos.
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    I've heard of some people talking about nowthatssmurfedup.com over here, but they only mentioned the porn. I never knew about the gory military pics. I've only seen one page of it that a friend of mine was checking out at the time, which had pictures of naked army girls on it. The posting of the pictures can be seen as just that: posting pictures of what we see over here. Sharing your experiences of that kind of situation helps you psychologically recover from being in it. Yes, they are bloody and screwed up. So is life over here. Get over it. The comments should be looked at with a psychological view and not sneered at from face value. It is a psychological defense mechanism to belittle things like that, especially when seen in mass quantities, in order to help your psyche deal with the situation. It helps to break it down and not let the situation overwhelm you. The replies given are not only by US soldiers. They are by civillians, and NOT just U.S. citizens. Soldiers make up less than 1/3 of the registered members according to the information given by the article.

    what people don't NEED is graphic pictures of the aftermath posted on a website with fat gun-totting yellow-ribbon patriots shouting YEE HAW while drinking beer.
    Right, cause all the thousands of people over here can be classified under that one sentence. Especially since we're all fat, wear yellow ribbons, shout YEE-HAA, and we all get to drink as much beer as we want. Really we do. Ignore that fact that General Order #2 of this theater says we're not allowed to drink any alcohol and that none is supplied to enforce that order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theundeadmonkey
    Yes, they are bloody and screwed up. So is life over here. Get over it. The comments should be looked at with a psychological view and not sneered at from face value. It is a psychological defense mechanism to belittle things like that, especially when seen in mass quantities, in order to help your psyche deal with the situation. It helps to break it down and not let the situation overwhelm you.
    Congratulations, your post is the Official Winner of my Official Sick Post Award of The Day, wich I invented right now. How can you even attempt to justify this degrading practice? Seriously, I fail to understand how posting this kind of snuff in some morbid porn site for some sadists to enjoy can be justified. Defense mecanism? I bet there are many defense mecanisms better than those, I just hope not all the soldiers have to stoop to those levels to "help their psyche".

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