A Sweet Theory.. but not mine.

[Christmas]

Anyway, here is some references.

You found Ultima Weapon wielding a sword similar to Cloud's sword which is also called "Ultima weapon" at the bottom of DSRC.

You can draw a mysterious GF called "Eden" from it.

The Garden of Eden story recounts how God created Adam and Eve, commanded them not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and how they were expelled from the garden after they disobeyed Him, having been tempted by a serpent, and ate the fruit. As part of the Expulsion, cherubim and a flaming sword were stationed at the entrance to the garden, in order to prevent man from returning and eating from the Tree of Life.

A sword is stationed to guard Eden.
In FF VI, Atma Weapon came with a package of a sword and a monster.
In FFV II, Ultimate Weapon dropped a sword upon defeat.
In FF VIII, Ultima Weapon wield a sword.

So there is no telling that Ultima Weapon is the sword itself. It is the sword itself that is the "Ultima Weapon". Even if it's not, we know that a sword wielding monster guard Eden, which is close enough.

Others point out that the world of Eden's time was destroyed during Noah's Flood and it is therefore impossible to place the Garden anywhere in post-flood geography. There is also an attempt to tie this with the mystical sunken land of Atlantis.

So the location of Eden might be sunken?And we happen to find it under the sea in FF VIII?

BTW, what is the main purposes of visiting DSRC? Personally, I find it as accquiring Eden since this the last and possible thing to do in DSRC. And most rewarding too.

So the whole ruins might be based on mythical references like what Square do with the other FF games.

[GunbladeMaster]

wow never thought of it like that

[boys from the dwarf]

FF makes many references to others and i think most of that is true but it would be hard to notice because sqare does some very clever things. thanks for the link.

[G SpOtZ]

Sir B, you make really good points...

but it's assumed that a LOTTT of time has passed from the time of ff3 and ff8. as time passed, the continent sunk, and scientists discovered this sunken continent, and decided to research it, but first they needed some kind of 'research center' to be able to thoroughly research it. thus, the deep sea research center was created.
if you read the theory, you know it says that bahamut was on the floating continent in ff3, and bahamut is in a research tube thing at the deep sea research center in ff8, so there's a very interesting connection right there.
Also, it talks about the crystals falling upon the ff3 world. well this isn't a very good point, but there are pulsing rocks deep in the research center. could those possibly be referring to it?

[Sir Bahamut]

A lot of time may have passed, but I just don't see anything backing up the idea that the entire floating continent can be found underneath the sea around the research centre. Nothing backs it up except the fact that they are positioned in approximately the same location on the world map, and as I said, more games than those two have something in the corner of the world map.

I know Bahamut is on the Floating Continent, but it should be noted that he lives on the top of a mountain, not at the bottom of some ruins. Actually, in FF3, Bahamut lays eggs, so I guess I should call him 'she', but anyway.

The glowing rocks and the crystals are not similar to eachother at all. There were 4 Crystals, all big and whole, not split up like in the ruins.

[Christmas]

BTW, I heard that the Hyne in FF III is a sorcerer with only skeleton. Do he have any skin to cast off with in the first place?

[G SpOtZ]

yeah, bahamut did live at the top of the mountain. and in ff8 you don't find him deep into the dsrc, you find him in a tube right when you enter the research center. but the location doesn't even matter, as the scientists either found bahamut, or bahamuts baby that grew up, and tested expirements on it, so no matter where they found bahamut, they could have moved it or something.

and i know the crystals were big and whole, but is it not possible that they broke up over time and scattered? the scientists DID expirement on everything they found in the dsrc... or at least i'd figure it's safe to assume that.

sure there ARE a lot of flaws and holes in the theory, and it's just a theory after all. i was really interested in the similarities and the points, because they seemed to work better than any other theories i've heard... or at least most of them.

[Future Esthar]

That and Ulti´s castle since we find a Weapon and what looks to be a darkened GF there.Also there is a tower with a spiral staircase inside.

[Gilgamesh of Legends]

Bahamut lived untop of a mountain right? The continent sunk and only the highest mountain would be visible. And about the ruins, many civilization had temples on mountain tops(budhists). What says that between a few hundred years they couldnt construst a temple?

[Christmas]

That and Ulti´s castle since we find a Weapon and what looks to be a darkened GF there.Also there is a tower with a spiral staircase inside.

Omega Weapon look like a darkened GF to you? What do you mean by darkened and how do you identify a GF anyway? One look at Omega Weapon or that black smoke make you think it is a GF?

So what if both have a spiral staircase, what are you implying?

[G SpOtZ]

i think he was talking about tiamat.

[Future Esthar]

I was talking about that dark GF at the clock tower which is said on the forums that is the dark form of Bahamut.(cAN´T REMEMBER NAME).
Edit:Tiamat,that´s it Gspotz.

[Gilgamesh of Legends]

tiamat USED to be a gf, its not darkened, its been transformed into a monster by the will of Ulti

[Christmas]

K, I guess I understand now.

Omega Weapon is find in Ulti's castle like Ultima Weapon in the DSRC.
Tiamat in Ulti's castle like Bahamut in DSRC.

But I have an explaination:

Wasn't Griever created from the whole party's minds? I seem to recall Squall of SeeD mentioning something about that. Apparently, Ultimecia talks about creating the ultimate GF "from your minds", or somesuch, in either the original Japanese or in the European translations.

Since Greiver can be created from the whole party mind, we can had another deduction.

Bahamut is known as a powerful GF and as long as it concern, SeeDs most probably know it.

SeeDs attack Ultimecia's castle and Ultimecia just draw it out from the SeeD's mind like how she created the Ultimate GF. She draw it out and created other GF and then corrupt it to turn it into a monster as stated in the scan info?

NOTE: The "scan info" refer to Tiamat scan info and not the picture.

This explains Tiamat.

As for Omega Weapon:

Note that in FF VI, you fight Atma Weapon and Atma later in the game as an optional boss. Both Atma and Atma Weapon look the same and only with different paint job.

When you fight Atma, he mentioned something:

"Left here since birth....."

It is implied that it is left here in Kefka tower since it is born. And since Kefka Tower existed after the world is undone, so it imply that Atma didn't exist before Atma Weapon's time.

When you fight Atma Weapon he mentioned about:

"My name is Atma... I am pure energy, and as ancient as the cosmos"

Can energy be destroyed? Energy can be transfered and convert into other form of energy.

I reckon that the energy that made Atma weapon sorta converted into other form of energy which made Atma.

So the same might apply to Ultima Weapon and Omega Weapon in FF VIII since their is this incarnation of sword and monster going on and it started in FF VI itself.

But overall, I guess it is just Square didn't bother much to give it a new design.

Here goes for BG-57 simpified version:

So you're suggesting that the party may have dispersed Utima Weapon instead of slaying it, where it reformed into Omega during time compression. It's possible, and Omega does first appear as a nebulous cloud of evil that materializes after you ring the bells. Both seem to be able to change from a noncoporeal to coporeal state.

I guess that's about it.

[Future Esthar]

To say it was the remnants of Ulti´s castle is a lot more simple.
But your explanations can also apply.
Maybe Gf´s and Weapons were created with time travelling properties.