a religious dictatorship

[Raistlin]

Like in Africa , South East Asia etc. The conditions in those countries are horrible while under Capitailism, have you ever been or even seen how it is in those country outside the US? (Except for the UK ,Canada and West europe.) So technically speaking Capitalism has only work in the US, UK, France, Canada, Italy, Japan, Germany and Australia.

Capitalism has one major consequence: it doesn't guarantee success. In a free society, the economic success is based solely on the ability and motivation of individual people.
"Justice" is the virtue of neither giving nor accepting the unearned. Just as justice is so important in the legal system, it is equally important in the economic sphere.

Mild Socialism can be good, as can a mild form of Capitalism.

So just a "little bit of freedom?" You can't have degrees of freedom; there are only degrees of oppression. You either have freedom or you don't.

What always amuses me about liberals is their contradiction towards individual rights. If the government, say, invades a house or arrests a suspected terrorist without a proper warrant, the liberals go nuts, saying - quite truthfully - that additional security is not worth sacrificing our individual rights. This is physical security, mind you - protection from harm, possible death for those who have not deserved it. However, when dealing with economics, the liberals are more than willing to sacrifice whatever individual rights are necessary to insure the merely economic security of those who have not earned it.

So basically, it's not worth it to sacrifice individual liberties to save the lives/well-being of those who have not earned any punishment, but it is worth it to sacrifice individual rights to try to save the economic well-being of those who have earned their current state. I don't get it.

[Cloud No.9]

hachifusa you forgot those who cannot earn it. the disabled, children, anyone in full time education, the sick, those made redundant etc. and the born poor who are destined to die poor.

[Madame Adequate]

hachifusa you forgot those who cannot earn it. the disabled, children, anyone in full time education, the sick, those made redundant etc. and the born poor who are destined to die poor.

Charity, parents, get rich before you get the education, invest in healthcare programs (Or get them from your employer.), don't be a retard when you get paid (Ie save your money up in case this happens.), and work hard to better yourself.

To iterate the first couple of points: You won't find a Libertarian among us who has any problem with helping other people. We object to it being forced. We do not object to assisting people who actually need and, as we personally decide, deserve help.

[Cloud No.9]

persinally giving aid only shows up racism and discrimination. treat everyone equally.

and what if your parents are poor? and why whould anyone be forced to rely on charity or postpone their education? (can't get rich that well without one in fact).

[FFGuevara]

Capitalism isn't good. It has its flaws, and many of them. But Communism is far worse, in my opinion, as is Fascism, Nazism and any other oppresive regime-style.

Mild Socialism can be good, as can a mild form of Capitalism. Going to extremes (i.e, the regimes described above) never does any good, nor does it last for very long. Communism sounds like a very, very bad idea to me. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a Communist country. I like being free too much.

But Communism isnt a opressive regime. How can it be opressive if the people are in power? It's the description of the ultimate democracy.

Capitalism has one major consequence: it doesn't guarantee success. In a free society, the economic success is based solely on the ability and motivation of individual people.
"Justice" is the virtue of neither giving nor accepting the unearned. Just as justice is so important in the legal system, it is equally important in the economic sphere.

To succeed under Capitalism you must get your hands dirty. Such as what the us has done. Why would you have Capitailism in which only a few countries succeed while under Communism everyone succeeds? It's a win win situation for anyone at middle class and under.

Charity,

Charity doesnt help, it's just a Capitailist scam to make the upper class look good. It only works temporarally. "If you give a man a fish he'll eat for a day, if you teach him how to fish the fish market will go bankrupt."

parents, get rich before you get the education,

Whats the possibility of that ever happing? Especially in third world countries. Heck you cant do it in the united state's unless you won the lottery.

invest in healthcare programs (Or get them from your employer.),

But not alot of countries have such policy's. Such as African and South east Asian countries. But South America has FREE healthcare for everyone ever since Socialism rolled in.

don't be a retard when you get paid (Ie save your money up in case this happens.), and work hard to better yourself.

So basically starve yourself to get a education? Alot of people dont recieve enough money to get education. Education is very expensive, you know? And people need somewhere to eat and live they cant just save their money.

To iterate the first couple of points: You won't find a Libertarian among us who has any problem with helping other people. We object to it being forced. We do not object to assisting people who actually need and, as we personally decide, deserve help.

Libertarian=Conservative same thing. It's not right to force your idealogies on other people who dont want it. That's how wars are caused.

[Madame Adequate]

Libertarian=Conservative same thing. It's not right to force your idealogies on other people who dont want it. That's how wars are caused.

And I don't need to talk to you anymore.

[DarkLadyNyara]

"If you give a man a fish he'll eat for a day, if you teach him how to fish the fish market will go bankrupt."

Can I quote you on that?

Quote:

Mild Socialism can be good, as can a mild form of Capitalism.

So just a "little bit of freedom?" You can't have degrees of freedom; there are only degrees of oppression. You either have freedom or you don't.

Capitalism is not freedom, it is an economic system. And, yes, there are degrees of freedom.

[Cloud No.9]

the western world is free to willingly and knowlingly starve 50,000 africans daily. sometimes freedom is bad. freedom to exploit is not freedom at all.

[FFGuevara]

"If you give a man a fish he'll eat for a day, if you teach him how to fish the fish market will go bankrupt."

Can I quote you on that?

Sure.

[Teek]

Libertarian=Conservative same thing. It's not right to force your idealogies on other people who dont want it. That's how wars are caused.

Dude, you're the one who bitches about how we aren't using sugar-coated language to refer to communism, but then you call libertarians conservative?

You either need to define your terms or stop with the insults. We're not "forcing" our ideas on anyone. That's what we're laughing at - that's what communism requires. Establish a communist regime, please, and tell me that if I wish to opt out of the system if they'll kindly let me and leave. I doubt it. There is nothing I am "forcing" on people. I want freedom. You can't "force" freedom on people; that's ridiculous.

I went to a communist bookstore today, and let me tell you that it's quite sick. I mean, I don't really know how much farther to get with the communist ideas. I've listed reasons, and I could list more, but with people who insist that Americans are bloodthirsty and that capitalism is evil (oh noes!) and that individual liberty is a useless, outdated concept invented by the rich, there's no reasoning.

[FFGuevara]

Dude, you're the one who bitches about how we aren't using sugar-coated language to refer to communism, but then you call libertarians conservative?

They do the same things. . And the things that they do deferent are very similar to each other. It's like comparing the National Socailist party with the National Action party.

You either need to define your terms or stop with the insults. We're not "forcing" our ideas on anyone. That's what we're laughing at - that's what communism requires. Establish a communist regime,

Actually its uniting the people and revoluting. And when have i insulted anyone?

please, and tell me that if I wish to opt out of the system if they'll kindly let me and leave. I doubt it. There is nothing I am "forcing" on people. I want freedom. You can't "force" freedom on people; that's ridiculous.

If Capitailism is "Freedom" then stop forcing it in the Middle east. If they dont want it leave them alone. Those Jihads arnt attacking you for no reason. And what good is this "freedom" if for you to enjoy it you need money?

I went to a communist bookstore today, and let me tell you that it's quite sick. I mean, I don't really know how much farther to get with the communist ideas. I've listed reasons, and I could list more, but with people who insist that Americans are bloodthirsty and that capitalism is evil (oh noes!) and that individual liberty is a useless, outdated concept invented by the rich, there's no reasoning.

Reminder Communism is a Stateless society which means everyone governs where they live along with the other citizens of that area. Which means individual liberty.

[Teek]

They do the same things. . And the things that they do deferent are very similar to each other. It's like comparing the National Socailist party with the National Action party.

No, not really. The Libertarian party is into individual liberty, and the Republican Party wants God to come back. The Libertarian is considered advocates of the free market (like Republicans are supposedly), but are also advocates of social freedoms (such as freedom of choice and whatnot).

Actually its uniting the people and revoluting. And when have i insulted anyone?

You called me a conservative.

Uniting whom - and for what - and for what cause?

If Capitailism is "Freedom" then stop forcing it in the Middle east. If they dont want it leave them alone. Those Jihads arnt attacking you for no reason. And what good is this "freedom" if for you to enjoy it you need money?

Agreed; the Libertarian party does not support the war, and neither do I. And if you don't understand what the freedoms of speech, thought, and property represent, then it's obvious why you don't understand the freedom of dissent (i.e. America doesn't put people like you in jail).

Reminder Communism is a Stateless society which means everyone governs where they live along with the other citizens of that area. Which means individual liberty.

That's anarchy. What if I disagree with the citizens of my area and I don't want to give up my money?

[Omi4000]

Hey why are some of you saying religion is pointless but its not it gives people direction no offence but i am christian and this forum should be locked people might take this as discrimanation

[FFGuevara]

You called me a conservative.

I just simply said Libertarian=Conservative.

Uniting whom - and for what - and for what cause?

The people for the people , for a better future.

Agreed; the Libertarian party does not support the war, and neither do I. And if you don't understand what the freedoms of speech, thought, and property represent, then it's obvious why you don't understand the freedom of dissent (i.e. America doesn't put people like you in jail).

I might of been overexagerating when i said that. Which i admit.

That's anarchy. What if I disagree with the citizens of my area and I don't want to give up my money?

By that point in time you'll have the same ammount of wealth as everyone else, which is middle class.

[DarkLadyNyara]

No, not really. The Libertarian party is into individual liberty, and the Republican Party wants God to come back. The Libertarian is considered advocates of the free market (like Republicans are supposedly), but are also advocates of social freedoms (such as freedom of choice and whatnot).

Point taken. Basically, it seems to be what the Republican party was intended to be. (But isn't). Correct me if I'm wrong.