Maybe they thought it was a present. You know, for their birthday. Suddenly, it was everyone's birthday...Why won't you pay the debt? Why is it illegitimate? Didn't we give you the money?
Maybe they thought it was a present. You know, for their birthday. Suddenly, it was everyone's birthday...Why won't you pay the debt? Why is it illegitimate? Didn't we give you the money?
When fighting monsters, be wary not to become one yourself... when gazing into the abyss, bear in mind that the abyss also gazes into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
The rightful owner of this Ciddie can kiss my arse! :P
was that a joke war angel? i'm sorry i missed the funny part in 30,000 dead africans. oh yeah i see it. debt is something to laugh about. 30,00 dead kids is a laughing matter after all. and america's part in this is all a bit of fun.
"Why won't you pay the debt? Why is it illegitimate? Didn't we give you the money?" yes but then you add 600% interest on to that loan and you see why it is impossible to pay off. and that interest grows yearly. it's not a matter of paying back the loan. that has been done. it's a matter of paying back expotential interest.
meanwhile the rest of the world sits back laughs and eats it's subsidies no tarrif food while it sanctions and taxes the rest of the world.
that kind of injustice, greed and arrogance is why ffguevara is being trained in weapons and why i took it upon myself to learn them. at one point this system will need to be ended. how it ends is the world's choice. but injustice and death on a genocidal scale needs to be ended and soon.
Oh, for the Force's sake. They KNEW about the 600% interest when they agreed to the damn loan.
The system we have now is the ONLY viable system. Live with it, and stop listening to John Lennon and other pot-smoking hippie losers. Those kinds of people don't accomplish a damn thing. Or, as Auron would say, your fate is in your hands. No one else's.
This talk kills my inner child.
Why the hell are you learning to make weapons!? that is just odd. Like others here, I learned the formula for an atom bomb, but I still think its off to teach kids how to make such feasable weapons.
Cloud, I think it was inappropriate of us to draw up such terms, inhumane even. It was even dumber for the idiot that signed the damn thing.
Bipper
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
whoa whoa whoa, chill it man this isn't the thread to talk about debt or Africa (don't take offense you just sound really pissed off). Anyway I don't see the point in it, sure it's good to learn but what if some mad maniac uses them?
LET THE HAMMER FALL
the 600% interest works like this.
these countries take out the loan. most for defence (or attack). for obvious reasons this money isn't able to be paid back immediatly as fighting wars doesn't bring in the money when you are importing everything needed to fight it.
so the interest kicks in. and it's high. the country though is now recovering from a war and so still has problems to face before it can pay back the loan. so the interest and amount grows again (interest upon interest). to successfully pay back a now very large loan the countries must industrialise or get more effecient but this requires more money. which they don't have. in fact they now have less money because the banks are now taking money out.so your country stagnates and grows poorer.
but you still ain't keeping up with the loan repayments so the amount owed grows and grows. and still you have no money to reform. and so this process goes on til you are in nigeria's situation of having paid back the loan many times over but still owing far more.
expotential interest is one of the reasons (beside subsidies/tarriffs and lack of aid) is why 30,000 children died yesterday, today and will die tomorrow.
and if wanting to end that for the sake of loans that have alread been paid back and money earned many times is getting all john lennon then forgive me.
but i for one will not be part of the most effecient genocide this world has ever seen. you may be content with that.
Because we're considering it redemption money for the Totalitarian/Fascist Goverment they installed here in the 60's which lasted untill the mid 80's. And during these classes we actually practice the production of these weapons.Why won't you pay the debt? Why is it illegitimate? Didn't we give you the money?
...okay, so we smurfed up. But if we just randomly let people not pay back loans, they're going to get the idea that they can take advantage of us. No wait, they already have that idea. I'd like to get rid of it.
Edit: I hate the word filter.
And I hate when you go around it -eestlinc
Take advantage of you? After about a century of oppression i'd expect someone from my side of the fence to say that. And it's not just Brazil its all the Latin American countries. The United States has stole from us that was no mistake. But making some excuse like you didnt mean to install Fascism here is bull. Mistake or not we deserve redemption. Thank god we have a powerful army or we'd be in war right now.
Go to Buddy Christ, then, and don't complain about the freaking loans you can't pay back.Mistake or not we deserve redemption.
Right, so powerful, you have to train civilians in the making and usage of chemical weapons. :rolleyes2Thank god we have a powerful army or we'd be in war right now.
When fighting monsters, be wary not to become one yourself... when gazing into the abyss, bear in mind that the abyss also gazes into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
The rightful owner of this Ciddie can kiss my arse! :P
Who's buddy? And we can pay back the loan back if we want. But we figured that we shouldent after everything they've done to us.
Cant be to cocky with just Military alone.Right, so powerful, you have to train civilians in the making and usage of chemical weapons. :rolleyes2
What can we do? Seriously? So many people hate us (the US) and it seems freaking hopeless to care. The machine is running, set on its course, and there are not enough operators who give two cents about our forign policy. America is screwed up! I FREAKING agree. I don't think having a billion posts blaming and flaming are gonna do a whole lot, except piss americans off.
Honestly, the foreign representation is acting like a buncha kicking and screaming two year olds. I don't mean the people on this forum mind you, but those whom man forign enteties (The UN included) seem to have such a demand for things to change in a moment, it is just unreal.
Granted, it all sucks, but no matter how much pull the US has, implimentation never comes easy. As any foreign policy happens, it will take time.
I still find it interesting to hear that you are actually making chemical weapons in school. This is a sad day indeed. I don't mean that you are doing it, but rather, that people feel you need to do this in school. I think (if this is indeed true) it brings up a startling issue for the US. Fixing the Worlds that we screwed up is indeed our obligation. If that is the way the cookie crubles, I for one will be a man, fogive the loan (or settle for less- dependant on the circumstances), and step up to aid where we can. That is if, this is all indeed true. I would need more proof than a rant on a forum (no disrespecct intended).
My line of though is, if America has indeed done the crime, we have to wrong our rights.
Bipper
A century? LOL. Just...LOL.
I'm beginning to think that this is just a troll with a sense of humor. Yeah, that's what people said about me, but all I really want to do is live my life without having to worry about people blowing me into many, many pieces.
Most of the time, other countries are the ones doing the stealing; damn looters are always expecting aid and never paying it back. What we need to do is start refusing loans left and right. We don't have a moral obligation to help those less fortunate. Suggesting that we do is the moral equivalent of putting a gun to our head and demanding money.
Yup a century ever since the fall of the Brazilian Empire. As for other Latin American countries you can look it up yourself.
So i'm a troll? For expressing my opinions and for speaking the TRUTH?I'm beginning to think that this is just a troll with a sense of humor. Yeah, that's what people said about me, but all I really want to do is live my life without having to worry about people blowing me into many, many pieces.
Those Jihads attacked the United States because you are trying to enforce Capitalism on them when they dont want it. Which is wrong you cannot force your idealoligy on other people.
Maybe if you never stole anything they would of never needed loans. How come the United States became so rich? And how did all the other countries become so unfortunate to get nothing naturally? What is happing in Iraq is exactlly what has happened in other countries. You guys are stealing their Oil , installed a goverment (In which you dictate them) and when that goverment disolve's and a new goverment is in. They need money and where do they get the money? See what i mean, To make a clear as long as Capitailism exist's there wont never be a world free of Poverty, Hunger and Opression.Most of the time, other countries are the ones doing the stealing; damn looters are always expecting aid and never paying it back. What we need to do is start refusing loans left and right. We don't have a moral obligation to help those less fortunate. Suggesting that we do is the moral equivalent of putting a gun to our head and demanding money.
Last edited by FFGuevara; 10-04-2005 at 03:06 AM.
Funny thing, teenagers spew their little hate speeches in the Middle East, or in Africa, and at the same time they eat at McDonald's and buy their Nike shoes.
You'd think the answer would hit them like a .44 but hey.
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