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    Wow. Cloud 9 couldnt do it. Bipper couldnt do it. But a cartoon squirrel could. Check this out.
    http://foamy.libertech.net/kat.swf
    Now, discuss how right this multi-cursable squirrel is. Warning, he does use the smurf word.
    But really, this brings up some good points.

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    Excellent points. Really. One thing what I liked when readying Shaking Hands with the Devil by Romeo Dallaire was the fact he mentioned that when others suffer and we watch it on TV, we may sympathesis at that moment, but then we will change the channel and forget about them, moving on with our lives. It is scary how we can just do that. I thin we need to start feeling pity and actually do something. It is just as bad as to not do something as doing the wrong thing. Inaction is unethical. Who I am to talk, I can just change the channel, or go to another site, and by tomorrow it will all be forgotten and I will sleep tonight without wincing from thinking about the others who are suffering.


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    Ya know, I love foamy the squirrel, and I especially like his songs on squirrely wrath, but I wouldn't go so far as to call him liberal. Mostly, he just has an astounding amount of common sense (a trait I actually find lacking in most liberals). Honestly, man, why you gotta catagorize a squirrel? Why can't he just be a kick-ass little guy who buys haunted toasters or raves against coffee shops? Me, I'm neither a liberal nor a conservative, I think it's stupid to catagorize yourself as either because there is so much more to life than being 'progressive' or 'traditional,' respectively.

    But I definitely agree with what he had to say about the Hurricane. Which is why I'm glad I'm in the Navy, cause despite what any of you can say about the military, I would just like to point out that about 75% of hurricane relief aid came from the United States Navy. Hospital ships, bases of operations, floating refugee cities; we pretty much replaced every necessity that the people lost in the flood. And news anchors deserve to die (not really, but just to make the point). They are petty, inconsiderate people who usually only care about their own ratings and could care less who is affected by their stories. I got more to say on the matter, but I have to take a shower and then go to morning quarters formation. Peace!
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    Quote Originally Posted by herbie08
    Ya know, I love foamy the squirrel, and I especially like his songs on squirrely wrath, but I wouldn't go so far as to call him liberal. Mostly, he just has an astounding amount of common sense (a trait I actually find lacking in most liberals). Honestly, man, why you gotta catagorize a squirrel? Why can't he just be a kick-ass little guy who buys haunted toasters or raves against coffee shops?
    Someone has one at the internets. I agree.


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    Ummm...well, the reporters need to be there. Cause you know, if the reporters don't report, people don't know what is going on. If you don't get an idea of what's happening, you are not going to help, and probably the reporters in the news help more to move people to act than by doing it themselves. So yes, I think the squirrel is stupid. Something else would be to critizize the way the media covers this facts, sometimes they get plain morbid or sensationalistic.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
    Excellent points. Really. One thing what I liked when readying Shaking Hands with the Devil by Romeo Dallaire was the fact he mentioned that when others suffer and we watch it on TV, we may sympathesis at that moment, but then we will change the channel and forget about them, moving on with our lives. It is scary how we can just do that.
    We have becomed insensibilized. It's not preety, but it happens. How many people die in Africa each day? However, we prefer to care about the gas prices too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBCrayZ
    Wow. Cloud 9 couldnt do it. Bipper couldnt do it. But a cartoon squirrel could.
    Damn this sly furry peasent. If I may ask, what couldn't cloud#9 nor I do? Heh, I am a little confused, and someone posted this cartoon in another thread earlier. Also, deeming this animated demon a liberal is kind off all in itself.

    The squirrels points are not even very good. They are just a retarded rant, that pins stupidity and other demeaning traits on the masses whom seem out of thier element to a squirl animated by some flash junkie. Calling the operations stupid because of thier inefficentness is one thing; tossing around curses at people whom ARE doing thier jobs for a PURPOSE is just plain uncalled for. The irony of this flash cartoon is that the writer is prolly taking such an objectional stance to boost his own sites viewers. Pathetic.

    We need news coverage of the disaster, this HELPS the victums gain sympathy from people, and keeps America updated on the aftermath. All in all, I think the animation is 80% counter-productive.

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    Libertarianism isnt left winged just do you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFGuevara
    Libertarianism isnt left winged just do you know.
    The entire notion of left and right winged is a failure. There are so many complexities even within a single political party that there's no point calling anyone left or right winged. Libertarianism is all about freedom, that's all. Freedom in both the economic and social spheres. The freedom to buy drugs legally, and the freedom to keep your money so you can afford to.

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    Thats not freedom thats neo-capitailism. I'd much rather prefer Communism in which anyone can live good and not worry about how much money is left in their wallets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFGuevara
    Thats not freedom thats neo-capitailism. I'd much rather prefer Communism in which anyone can live good and not worry about how much money is left in their wallets.
    Capitalism is the only system we have the capacity to currently implement which allows freedom. And until we reach a stage where all life-sustaining jobs are handled by automatons (Well except for perhaps medical professions.), that will remain the case.

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    Capitalism is the only system we have the capacity to currently implement which allows freedom.
    Only for the upper class.
    And until we reach a stage where all life-sustaining jobs are handled by automatons (Well except for perhaps medical professions.), that will remain the case.
    Actually thats why there's Socialism. Oh and a little reminder before you tell me "Socialism doesnt work". Sweden, Norway and Switzerland are concidered to be one of the best countries to live in. Free health care , free Education and a very low unemployment rate. And guess what they live under?

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    Ummm Canada too, but we are a capitalist nation as I assume those other countries are too. The thing is that we implement socialist programs into our practices. So really you cannot say it because they are not capitalist, it is more of a mutual relationship. I think social programs in countries are a good thing. That does not mean I want my country to be socialist or communist. Anyways the point is in moderation, to introduce social programs in the country can be good. Also you have to realize that in Canada we pay more taxes than Americans. ou have to weight your options. It would not surprise me if they had higher taxes in the before mention nations too.


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    This has been on Newgrounds for a month now. It's not new, but it really speaks everytime I hear/watch it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFGuevara
    Capitalism is the only system we have the capacity to currently implement which allows freedom.
    Only for the upper class.
    What? I'm not rich. I don't even have a car. I'm free. I can visit many other countries. I can form relationships with many people unhindered. I can get many kinds of education. I can try for many jobs. I can get a great many jobs, although I'm sure the horrible bourgeous demand for expertise in a profression will kill that idea. I'm not constrained by very much at all just because I have to save up to own a house, and because I have to make a choice between a Tivo and a PS3.

    And until we reach a stage where all life-sustaining jobs are handled by automatons (Well except for perhaps medical professions.), that will remain the case.
    Actually thats why there's Socialism. Oh and a little reminder before you tell me "Socialism doesnt work". Sweden, Norway and Switzerland are concidered to be one of the best countries to live in. Free health care , free Education and a very low unemployment rate. And guess what they live under?
    What the heck does "That's why there's socialism" mean? Oh, and I don't trust most of those reports. There are claims that the press is more free in nations where the press is owned by the government than in nations where the press is owned privately. So I really don't have much time for these obviously ridiculous claims.

    Anyways, you're missing the point. I can argue about the most effective systems endlessly, but it really doesn't matter. I will still support libertarianism even if it causes more death, higher unemployment, and a lower standard of living for the majority of people. It's not about efficiency, it's about right and wrong. And it's wrong to take money by force.

    Example: My girlfriend just noted she's had about $450 of her so-far earned ~$2500 taken in taxes. She does not owe anyone anything. Additionally, she has given a great deal of that money to support her family. Why are some strangers she'll never meet, who she'll never know whether or not they made use of her effort, more important than her family?
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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
    Quote Originally Posted by FFGuevara
    Capitalism is the only system we have the capacity to currently implement which allows freedom.
    Only for the upper class.
    What? I'm not rich. I don't even have a car. I'm free. I can visit many other countries. I can form relationships with many people unhindered. I can get many kinds of education. I can try for many jobs. I can get a great many jobs, although I'm sure the horrible bourgeous demand for expertise in a profression will kill that idea. I'm not constrained by very much at all just because I have to save up to own a house, and because I have to make a choice between a Tivo and a PS3.
    And, my mom grew up ON THE STREETS and now she owns TWO businesses.
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