Maybe now we can stop making excuses for Jihadism

[Madame Adequate]

can't really. no major terrorist organiation has ever been defeated. it's a war we cannot win. we can however appease these people. this isn't unjustified hatred like the nazis. it is the same ferocity but these people have their reasons.remove the reasons and you remove the hatred. and that means forgiveness. forgiveness for screwing them over for the last 60 years. it's not going to end.

To the Nazis, their hatred was entirely justified. It doesn't matter if they are justified or not, because they believe their hatred is justified. And at any rate, we've seen how well appeasement works, right? Go Neville!

However, the answer is to help the nations we've been terrible to. Not through apologies and reparations, but through treating them fairly in trade and diplomacy so that they can stand up on their own two feet, build nations of wealth and prosperity, and form governments of their own volition. I don't object to getting rid of Saddam or other despotic and/or terrorist leaders, but it's still better to help the people in whichever nation see it for themselves.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

can't really. no major terrorist organiation has ever been defeated. it's a war we cannot win. we can however appease these people. this isn't unjustified hatred like the nazis. it is the same ferocity but these people have their reasons.remove the reasons and you remove the hatred. and that means forgiveness. forgiveness for screwing them over for the last 60 years. it's not going to end.

I don't even know how to respond...(graphic description ahead)


I can't forgive these guys for ending my childhood on 9/11. I'll never unknown the horror stories I've heard and the images I saw. I always think about how people half way around the world celebrated as an unborn child was separated from his mother's womb as she fell from the towers trying to escape the inferno. I can't go back to 9/10, so I can never forgive any jihadist.

And it is absolutely false that these people will go away if you 'appease' them. You obviously didn't read the article. They blow up poor people, and the places where they work. They aren't fighting against imperialism, they are fighting to restore an empire. They already believe every women on earth is a slave. How could you make excuses for them? Does it make you feel better? Do you honestly believe giving the middle east to people who will wind it back to the middle ages will make the world a better place?

There is a case to be made against the US but please be a decent human being and don't make your case through jihadism.

[Cloud No.9]

islam does not wish to rewind time back to the middle ages.

the pinnacle of islamic society is iran. iran are currently building a nuclear power plant. that is hardly 15th century. what is 15th century is execution and torture and conquest. but america practices that anyway so has no right to bitch and whine.

why was your childhood ended that day? everyone watched those images. i was very close to the canary wharf bombing and it did not affect me. i was home sick watching 9-11 as it happened on tv. i'm not calling for the blood of anyone.

and you can negotiate with terrorists. we did it with the ira. the ira were nowhere near close to collapse. they were stronger than they had ever been and had just got their hands on some very tasty missles at the time of the mull of kintyre crash and the beginning of negotations. up until that point no progress had been made on the ira. we negotiated and within a year the war ended.

america was perfectly happy to support the jihadist in the 80's in afghanistan and it was perfectly happy to support genocidal nutters like sadamma (not actually islamic he was a secular).

do you think that the children in palsetine are greatly forgiving when an american built tank fires american built shells into their refugee camp. where the jurds happy when halabja was gassed from american built planes and america made gas? were iranians happy when america brought in the shah? are the uxbek people happy with their american backed nutter of a dictator? are the children and cripples and the tortured in quantananmo bay content with their treatment?

america felt all powerful. built on the shoulders of arrogance that noone could touch it. and so it could do what the hell it wanted. 9-11 showed that that wasn't true. it showed america that if you piss off enough people for that amount of time they will come back and be rather angry.

they hate us. and for what we have done they will not be happy with merely destroying a few buildings and killing a few thousand. they will be content either with our total and absolute destruction or for our end to out part in this.

read the quran. learn from it. and also learn what a jiahd is.

[Teek]

There is a big difference between seeing why the Islamo-Facists hate us (the west) and deciding that America deserves "worse than nuking New York". Yes, America has done some outright hypocritical, horrible things, but that doesn't mean that the average person on the street deserves to die for some backwater "Jihadist" or whatnot.

I learned what Islam was: you learn something that isn't foreign propaganda, now.

[Cloud No.9]

i never said americans deserved what happened that day. but until we understand exactly how badly these people hate us and why they hate us to such an extent. it's not about wanting conquest. it's basicly bloody revenge. that is what this is about. each time the russians bomb chechnya, the israels shell a refugee camp, america invades another islamic country these people get a wee bit angry about the whole thing and decide that revenge would make them happy.

we are not dealing with class a nutters. these aren't a group of folk who were in the pub and asked "what do you wanna do this tuesday?" "i dunno got any ideas" "wanna blow yourslef up in a night club" "sure sounds like fun"

these people are driven by hate. and not an unprovoked hate at that. it's not acceptance or condoning. it's understanding. and that is the way this war needs to be ended.