So, rather than filling up all the other threads with our back-and-forths on the matter, here's a thread wherein we can actually discuss the matter without being off-topic (Which the mods have graciously not come down on us for. Thanks guys ).

So, I'm sure you'll all be aware of my views on the matter. And there are at least a couple of others hanging around who feel similarly to me.

Note; Let's try and keep this thread to capitalism and communism/socialism/whatever. It's fine to hold up America as an example of a failed economic system if you believe it is, but let's not get into talking about how terrible the War is or anything.

My support for capitalism stems from my belief that the ultimate, singular, fundamental, and inalienable right of all sentient beings is that of self-jurisdiction. I am slow even to concede that the police force and military are justifiable, and it is only Human nature which prevents me from simply being an anarchist.

There is no other economic system which allows this self-jurisdiction except one where ALL necessities AND luxuries are abundant to the point of being available to everyone in excess without requiring any effort from anyone in return. This is an obviously utopian state of idealistic existence, and one we are at least hundreds of years away from. (A combination of near-infinite power, hugely advanced automation, and the capacity to assemble anything from anything (Ie atomic manipulation.) would be needed.)

Any system which takes more than the bare minimum of taxes is overstepping the boundaries of the state. By definition, economic control is social control, and social control is by and large abhorrent. There is no justification for telling a person where to spend their money; the money is a representation of the person's skills and efforts and time. It belongs entirely to the person. No individual owes anything to any other individual except through choosing to make that commitment.