the below history lesson is about what happened when the laissez-faire idea was followed. and it sucked. it really did. people died and suffered. then the government saw that it was a crsp idea to start with and got rid of it and started the welfare state.

democracy is why europe is socialist. it's why it was done.

the disease thing..... there was an idea about where disease came from. miasma (bad smells). and it was on the right track. things that tend to carry disease do smell bad and rotten. and open sewers and crap on the street smell very bad. people thought at the time that was what was causing disease but couldn't be bothered doing anything. the discovery that cholera came from water is an interesting one which i shall share.

cholera was a huge problem and many people wanted to find out the cause. one doctor examined the causes and found that alot of people that had caught it came from one area that had one well. he then turned off the well (thinking that the diseasse was in the foul water) and that area got water from a cleaner source and the cases dropped. this was well before the government had employed brunel to do anything about it.

diease control costs money. and that cost is gonna come from you.

my justification for socialism is not war. it was in fact a historic point. not my view.

the government saw the people were starving and took from the rich to give to the poor. and it saved lives. or you can let the rich keep all their vast wealth and watch the poor die. that is the basic choice. and that was the choice the government saw at the time and took action on. the poor couldn't afford a pension, health care, insurance for sickness or injury. but it was needed. and it needed to be paid for.

i thought you were laissez-faire milf. in that system the factory system and bread would not be a crime. it would be sorted out by society. which didn't quite work as the 19th century shows. same with child labour and health and safety. laissez-faire allows it.

the statement of the liberals motives for the welfare state being motivated by the need to stay in government is not me saying it is a good thing. it's just history.

american education is worse than british. and especially scottish. i had an american friend of mine (exchange student) tell me that the maths she was doing was far more advanced than anything she had done (we are doing revision of logarithims right now). also the scottish system is far greater than the english. example. a higher is 3/4 of an a level course. but the higher course takes 1 year. the a level 2.

and what the hell is wrong with that statue?