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    "Every act of perception and cognition is contingent, mediated, situated, contextual, theory-soaked."
    -Richard Tarnas

    Agree? Disagree? Anxious postmodern relativism or an accurate statement about the social construction of knowledge?
    Discuss.

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    I do believe I agree, but it's of no consequence. Thought and thought processes are infintely complex things that you could talk and theorise about until you're blue in the face and fingers and toes, and you still won't come up with a coherant answer for it all, because there is none. One thing I do agree with though is that knowledge and the mind in themselves are of the criteria suggested by Richard Tarnas. For the record who is he and what does he do?
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    I both agree and disagree equally due to my absolute lack of understanding.
    "As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless,
    uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh, haven't you?"

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    I agree equally due to my absolute lack of understanding.


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    What about when perceptions are a result of confusion because of unfamiliaraity with a situation?

    For the most part I gues that quote is fairly accurate, but it's not always 100% true.
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    I think I understand 0.00001% of that...I understood that this thread is about "perception"

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    I think it's implying that there's nothing in the mind that isn't a pre-created thought pattern designed by the consiousness, as opposed to unique phenomenal experiences caused on-the-moment by the act of percieving.
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    I don't understand how anyone could disagree with that quote.

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    Yes

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    Well, the title of the thread did give us advance warning:

    Perception (warning - deep and potentially dull)
    "As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless,
    uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh, haven't you?"

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    I percieve that this thread rocks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Light Mage
    I think it's implying that there's nothing in the mind that isn't a pre-created thought pattern designed by the consiousness, as opposed to unique phenomenal experiences caused on-the-moment by the act of percieving.
    I think it's got a lot to do that, and with "the unknowability of absolute truth", or the subjectivity of each person's perception of reality - since basically everything we see, think, feel, read, experience etc is influenced, in our thoughts, by cultural factors and constructs.

    This quote, an excerpt from this, was brought up in my jurisprudence class during a discussion of modernism, structuralism, post-structuralism and postmodernism.

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    The mediation of the decision to eat this apple is contingent on the theory that it will taste good in the context of the situation. I think, there fore I am (hungry).

    Or am I? Does thought necessitate existence? Can thought produce thought? Can a thought exist upon its own, or does it need a mind to be held in? Are these words the result of thought, or the result of boredom? Or the result of nothing?

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    Well, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quina
    Or am I? Does thought necessitate existence? Can thought produce thought? Can a thought exist upon its own, or does it need a mind to be held in? Are these words the result of thought, or the result of boredom? Or the result of nothing?
    "Cogito ergo sum" is reasonably reliable, I think. The presence of mere thought alone is still some form of presence. If nothing existed, then a thought could not exist, since a thought is something other than nothingness.
    This is absolutely useless in the real world, but still interesting to ponder.

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