Hmmm...Why dun you trying writing it out? As others might not think the same as us and the way you express and describe things in your story do play a important role of the outcome of the story itself.
Hmmm...Why dun you trying writing it out? As others might not think the same as us and the way you express and describe things in your story do play a important role of the outcome of the story itself.
It is also made clear in the game that Terra isn't looking for the same kind of love that others feel. Consider the following lines:Originally Posted by Smlee
TERRA (after her meeting with Edgar): I guess a normal girl would have found him dashing. But I’m hardly normal…
Ok, that might have been a bit of paraphrasing there, I don’t have a script on hand right now. She does say something VERY close to that though right after she first meets with Edgar. This line implies that while Terra is capable of acknowledging external beauty, she is unable to consider it in anything more than an objective state. This in itself is not simply a ‘lack of experience’ issue. Even Miranda in The Tempest feels sexual urges, despite growing to the age of 15 before ever seeing a male other than her father (‘cept Caliba, but you know…he’s Caliban!). It’s something deeper, perhaps a side effect of an Esper breading with a human, or maybe due to the many experiments that were performed on her while she under Kefka’s control.
It would have been logical to take Terra’s love issues and turn it into a relationship with another character, yet the game’s featured relationship is between Celes and Locke. Instead, Terra becomes the care taker of an orphanage, and explores love in that manner. This seems to be enough for her, and from this one can conclude that at the very least Terra has a diminished desire to enter into a sexual relationship.
So anyway, Terra is not the sort that would engage in premarital intercourse, and certainly not with Edgar.
Yes and no. Terra's confusion over love was partially brought on by her half-Esper side. Once Magic/Espers disappear from the world, she becomes wholely human, and can experience whatever emotions normal humans can. Whether she does develop romantic love or not, or with whom, is a matter to consider. That being said, there are many, MANY huge flaws in this story.
-After Kefka, Edgar and Sabin announce their involvement in his demise. The other characters decide they want to live out of the spotlight and don't take credit.
Wouldn't happen. Both brothers, Sabin especially, would rather keep out of the spotlight. If they got credit, they would have to share it with the other members. It's in their character. Sabin especially has too much honor and modesty for that.
-The former Empire lands end up practically worshiping the Figaro brothers for taking down Kefka, and vote to join the nation of Figaro.
A one-world government wouldn't work, anywhere. Not in real life, and not in games. Edgar would realize this, realize the threat of one huge controlling power being run by a tyrant (either at its formation, or sometime in the future, even generations down the road), and wouldn't allow it to happen.
-Being too large for one government, Edgar and Sabin flip a coin. Edgar retains control over North Figaro (encompassing everything that was Figaro) and Sabin gains control over South Figaro (the former Empire)
Sabin doesn't want to be King. They went over this. He just wants to be a regular guy, left to himself -- not put in charge of an entire kingdom, not worshipped, none of that. The coin-flip thing would be too lame, and impractical anyway.
-Both Edgar and Sabin begin courting Terra, having fallen for her during their adventures together
Ain't gonna happen. Edgar is a letch, he'd hit on anything with a hole in it. And Edgar and Sabin both have too much respect for Terra to consider a romantic relationship. Besides, through FFVI, they all developed friendships, unless otherwise mentioned (like Celes and Locke). That's the only relationship that will come of it.
-By the third year after Kefka's defeat, Edgar and Terra announce that she's pregnant and that they will be wed. Sabin takes the news hard and drops out of public view.
It wouldn't happen anyway, but if it did, Sabin would be happy for his brother. Not jealous to the point of becoming some hermit. And Terra would not only NOT get into a relationship with, well, anybody, really, she also wouldn't get pregnant before marriage, as by that time the world would have settled down and there would again be an institution of marriage, not like Dwain and Kathryn.
-Several years later, Sabin re-emerges and South Figaro cedes from North Figaro. Sabin announces the establishment of a new Empire. People accept the idea, wanting a return to their old ways and the money and power that came with it.
The brothers would not split. Sabin, an enemy of the old Empire, would not try to establish anything remotely resembling it. And the only people that liked the old Empire were the pub owners, maybe, because they always had business. That's it. They wouldn't revert back to "their old ways", because they saw firsthand what it led to.
-Edgar spends another couple of years in negotiations with the new Empire, trying to find out what exactly drove Sabin towards this path and trying to reconcile.
-New Empire gears up for war, and so does Figaro. It's at this point that the story begins with the invasion of Doma.
Not only would the brothers not split, they would never go against each other, especially in war.
As abrojtm mentioned, hopefully their daughter wouldn't be named Rachel. Either way, she wouldn't be able to use magic. Magic doesn't exist. It existed because of the Goddesses, who have been destroyed. No more Goddesses, no more Espers, no more Magicite, no more magic, period.
I'm almost surprised you don't have Relm and Gau get together, with as lame and inaccurate as the rest of it is. Sorry, buddy.
This...is very discouraging. Here I am, trying to take a logical leap past what was presented in the game. I'm not trying to simply extend the story. There is no story left to extend. I'm trying to write something new, unexpected, and far from typical. Is it really such a stretch to believe that Terra, having discovered what love is, and regaining a connection with humanity would allow herself to love someone? It is such a stretch to believe that Edgar would have...GROWN UP? Is is such a stretch to believe that Sabin would return to the throne...seeing as how he did it in the game? Is it such a stretch that Edgar and Sabin would RESPECT their friend's wishes by not naming them in Kefka's defeat? Is it such a stretch to believe that Sabin could crack under the pressure? Is it such a stretch that the brother's can get into a fight? And is it really such a stretch that magic could be revived somehow? And that I've somehow come up with a story to tell about that?
Cause y'know...if it is, I should probably fix the story up a bit. But I for one believe all of this is probable.
As a side note, I was once considering making this story into a game. Problem was, the best thing I could probably do was make a Radical Dreamers/choose your own adventure type text game. If anyone has any interest in that, perhaps I can give it a shot.
Is it really such a stretch that all the Espers weren't destroyed, is it really such a stretch that Kefka lived, is it really such a stretch that Terra found the surviving esper, went beserk and tried to conquer the world? Is it really such a stretch that Sabin is actuall gay? Is it really such a stretch that Setzer ends up with Celes because you did the three character ending and saw that Locke didn't rescue Celes in the end, but Setzer did and he flirts with her about her big finale in the opera, hey that finale could be a sex scene with himhehe
Is it really such a stretch that Sabin adopts Gau and takes him in as his own son, especially with all the events in the game, that's more likely than half the stuff you came up with.
Is it really such a stretch that Cyan goes and marries the girl he had been writing letters to, and he rebuilds Doma? Is it really such a stretch that Mog wasn't the only surviving moogle and the moogles take over Narshe? Is it really such a stretch that Banon doesn't somehow dissapear when you get to the WoR?(I don't think what happened to him was ever explained, he was just sorta gone) Is it such a stretch that Shadow commits suicide cause he can't outrun The Reaper? Is it such a stretch that Relm paints a portrait of Kefka, making an exact duplicate that tries to conquer the world again?
All right, I don't know if I proved my point yet or not, but you can pretty much put in anything and it could be deemed possible, doesn't make it likely though
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I think the main problem is Terra's character was pretty well fleshed out, and it's hard for most, especially those of us that are rather fond of her, to picture her taking this suggested path over the course of 18 years. But it is 18 years. You'd have to explain a lot of character growth. Or in Sabin's case, the reverse of that. Of course its possible he could change and turn inward and with the help of Kefka's son become an angsty puppet tyrant. But people (like me) like Sabin, and feel that we understand him, and though it is POSSIBLE, like Jackal said, it's not all that probable. Same with the Terra scenario. She'd start a village built on helping orphans survive. That's not to say Edgar and Sabin couldn't visit constantly to court her. Its also not unlikely that she could be very not used to being wholely human and get caught up in her newfound emotions and stuff. But again, people like her, saw her character clearly and watched it develop. We can't picture her being like that. Though certainly she might be tempted time and again, she's not stupid. Her age, wisdom, and life experience and obligations would guide her, and she'd be a lot more likely to listen to her morals than her hormones. But again, everything is possible. But good luck fleshing out the circumstances that'd have to happen to make it all come about :D
Maybe one of these would be believable. Maybe. All of them, no. Yes, they ARE really such a stretch to not believe when the entire process of FFVI shows us everything AGAINST what your new ideas are. The same stretch would have to occur to make John McClain into a hippie. Or Riggs and Murtaugh into gay lovers.
Ok. The main problem I seem to be faced with right now seems to be that nobody wants to see their favorite characters change in any way from what was in the game. Unfortunately, I was trying to treat them as real as possible. Human nature dictates that all scenarios I've presented are not only possible, but have precedent in life. Logic says that people change over time. Things happen. That's life. And from what I see, some people would rather I type up the script to FF6 than come up with something new.
All right, I don't know if I proved my point yet or not, but you can pretty much put in anything and it could be deemed possible, doesn't make it likely though
Hah. Thanks for the laugh. And I suppose you proved your point. Except that what I typed up was logical, and a very small leap forward from what was presented in the games. Aside for Sabin being gay and Moogles taking over Narshe, there wasn't much substance to back up those rather large leaps.
On another side note, I thought I'd give the text game a try. I've got some time next week, and the prospect of the programming nightmare I'm about to get myself into is kinda exciting to me. I'm going to try working out some sort of battle engine first. I'll let you guys know how it works out.
uhm actually I consider those two of my largest leaps, Kefka surviving isn't a large leap, he's a final boss they survive for sequels all the time, Celes and Setzer also possible if you saw the 3 character ending, Cyan going to the letter girl, why isn't that possible? AND WHY DOES BANON DISSAPEAR?
those aren't exactly huge stretches either buddy, and actually, for as long as I have known people, and as long as my parents have known people, yeah people change, but the core of them doesn't the things central to you don't, so yeah, don't try arguing that, you know it's true
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Yes, well, in my vision of the story, Kefka's dead, the ending was the one with all the characters, Cyan stays loyal to his dead family, and Banon dissapeared because he was in the capital when it dissapeared (and was most likely used to build Kefka's Tower).
And if you want an example on how people change, my father and his brother used to be close. After his brother got married, they don't talk to eachother anymore, and his brother hates him. If that's not a 360 in personality (due to manipulation and such), I don't know what is.
And I suppose it's also true that nobody ever suffers a breakdown. I guess all those mental institutions are just cover for alien experiments or something. And yes, that was sarcasm.
And I was joking about the part where Sabin's gay. The moogle stuff isn't farfetched though. And practically right on the money with something I have planned.
trust my, your uncle didn't change, having a wife control you is not changing, I guarantee they'd still be in touch and close if they could be.... Yeah people suffer breakdowns, in fact I have just this year, but it doesn't completely change WHO YOU ARE. Just because your Dad and uncle don't talk it doesn't change who they are as a person
OK, in your version of the story, but you know, it's your version and of course people are going to disagree with things you say, so don't get upset when people do. I'm not telling you not to make whatever screwy story you want, go ahead, just know that no matter how great something is, somebody, somewhere will hate it, it's a simple fact.
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As a suggestion, perhaps you might want to elaborate on a lesser known character in the story. If you plan to do all this. It could work, but what you'll need to do is show that character development that happened in the middle. Between the 18 years of stuff. A lot of things will have had to have happened to lead many of these characters to such extreme desperate measures. I also disagree with what you've suggested as happening. But, if I knew what led them to such measures, maybe I would.
Cyan becoming the leader of a new Doma is VERY likely. In fact, I wouldn't have been surprised if that was in the real ending. I might remind some people, that Sabin and Edgar weren't (although they were shown this way) that close. I mean hey, Sabin and Edgar hadn't seen each other for years. I'm sure they could (provided there was an extremely good manipulator) turn on each other. The game would HAVE to show how this happens. And it would have to show it slowly and logically so that people could grasp it. It's not WHAT happens that's important in a story, it's how it happens. It's just got to be consistent with their specific character flaws. And although these things are plausible, they're not consistent with the characters we know. Over the years, this could change, but you would have to show that.
How can Sabin and Edgar be shown as close, but not be? How can they not be close, but Edgar knows Sabin's favorite tea, china, flowers, etc.? Remember the coin Celes flipped to get Setzer to help her -- it was the same coin Edgar flipped to let Sabin leave, because he knew Sabin didn't want to stay. They're pretty close.
Ok...time for an update.
I've been giving the game thing a try, but for the moment, my efforts have only managed to produce a means to generate and update character status. So...if I want to proceed with this, I'm going to need some more time, and perhaps some more knowledge. I'll keep trying, but in the meantime, I'm still working on the story.
So I figured out the problem to the Sabin story. I'm assuming you've played FF9 when I say this, so...Remember how Garnet would again and again mention in the story that her mother used to be so kind and not evil? And then Kuja came along and she changed? This is kind of what I'm going for with Sabin. Sure, he used to be all kind and not evil...but due to outside influences (probably helped by his emotional state) he changed.
I've also been trying to flesh out the middle of my story (as I have an end in mind, but how to get there...not so much). I've developed a few...'bosses' I suppose you'd call em. I'll list two of em. Tell me what you think.
???? - Currently unnamed son of Vargas. Never actually met his father, as he was the product of a one night stand. Apprenticed himself to Sabin, and much like his father, became jealous of the power Sabin held. Bides his time under Sabin's control until a time he can wrest power for himself.
Ultron - Son of Ultros. What would a sequel to FF6 be without representation by the octopus race? Wants to kill Relm and Setzer for their roles in the slaying of his father when they shut down the colloseum. As Setzer is too well protected in his casino, Ultron spends his days hunting for Relm.
And of course, I'm trying to figure out a way to have the group encounter the Doom Train and a Weapon.
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