in law and certainly in warfare preparation for attack is enough for self defence.

"Rape is Rape and should be tried so. Though the punishment may lessen depending on the circumstances." is there any circumstance where you would justify rape?

"The few Rape victims I have met have never recovered or even recovered to be anything resembling what they were before" this is fairly typical. and breaking of human spirit no matter what way tends to have the same lasting effects.

what we are doing with torture is having someone totally under our control. and using that control on a defenceless human being to degrade and injure him.


reeds are used because they split when inserted and a re greatly painful. it is also known to be donw to the genitals as well. it is supposed to be one of the most painful of the easy tortures (without physical effort or other equipment).

water torture makes you go insane. it deprives of sleep. it results in hallucinations. the idea is that you cannot focus on anything else. it's something you cannoy avoid. and it persists for hours or days. another variation on water torture is faking drowning or by placing a rag over the mouth and dripping it with water so the victim gets the same effect of drowning.

phosphor was used to burn inmates in quantanamo. it is extremely painful. also our uzbek from before suffered torture from burning. he also suffered smash knees. was his torture justified?

shun. if you can find me a plausible circumstance for allowing rape i will be shocked.

stress positions are holding the body in certain positions for long periods of time so that they become very painful. forced standing with any movement also accomplishes this effect. the tick method is quite common. place a stick on your shoulders and behind and place your hands on top. it will gradually become very painful. to speed it up lean forward so a door frame holds the stick in place while you lean forward.

the british tactic was to have prisoners leaning against a wall on their finger tips. it's all part of breaking the personally both mentally and physically.

a photo of a variation used in egypt. http://www.endtorture.org/chn/torture_method_egypt.jpg
notice in this version how he is hanging. not technically stress position as he is not holding himself up. the little ease in the tower of london is another variation.

a common picture of a stress positiion is from abu gharib

http://www.yirmeyahureview.com/image...s_position.jpg

notice how if he moves he will fall but still be chained by his ankle to the door handle. leaving him hanging. the famous electrocution picture is also a stress position. see how he is having trouble standing.

it maybe soft torture. but it hurts. and is an abuse.

extreme temperatures and sleep depravation are used in conjunction with the above. it's about making the person suffer mentally and physically.

humiliation is broad. the types america uses can be seen in the abu gharib pictures. and to save me constantly posting them i will just post a page with a good collection.

http://www.yirmeyahureview.com/archi...aib_photos.htm

i will reference the ones from there. in particular humiliating ones being the ones with stacks of naked people. the ones forced to replicate oral sex. the one with the naked man with his arms outstretched that appears to be covered in crap. the two near the bottom of the naked men chained up one with underwear on his head. notice also the way that ones arms and back are bent. that is a stress position that will be extremely painful soon.

it depends on the method of bone breaking. and it's all about power. if you are chained up. defenceless and a guard comes in and kicks you in the ribs and breaks a few. or if he jumps on your leg. whacks your arms with hammers. the rack is particularly nasty. thumscrews as well. and do we think that our prisoners will receieve casts and medical treatment. one british prisoner of guantanamo who was released now suffers from severe epilepsy. his skull was broken by a prison guard. it was never seen to.

medevial torture is quite horrible. things like the wheel (where you break a person limbs so they are wrapped around the spokes) and various other implements i wouldn't be very fond off.

and feel a bit for our other uzbek friend boiled to death. and the popular friend of the copper wire. electrocuting your victims. not very pleasant to say the least.

it's not just the torture. though horrific it may be. that is not the only crime. it is an abuse of power. taking a defenceless man and hurting him to extreme levels. breaking him in everyway. reducing any hope he has. making him feel degrees of pain that are unbearable.

you see shun. unbearable is the word. you say that you know people in similar situations. but torture needs to be unbearable. if it is bearable it will not work as torture. you wouldn't submit to something you can bear. it needs to mentally and physically unbearable. it is that is so evil. putting someone from unbearable pain.

and it's about degradation. making these people less than human. treating them lower than animals. having them at your every will and using that to put them below everything else. degrading them so far that you can perform this. a dehumanisation process

and that is very intersting. it is how the nazis started. degradaing and dehumanising people. and that is why we see such crimes. and it's not just soldiers. it's in public live "it's just anothet terrorist who gives a crap" "just another towelhead" it's everywhere. and that is why it is possible. and it is not a cause of the torture movement. it is also part of it.

it's part of the emotional side. feeling less than human. being treated worse than you would terat another animal. feeling scared, terrified, humiliated. being abused daily, not to be let to sleep. having every bit of hope and humanity stripped from you. blow by blow, night by night, day by day, insult by insult, every bit of pain you will endure.

and at one point you will give in. just to make it stop. you will say what it takes. truth or lie. and that is also why it is wrong. it doesn't give correct answers.

and that is why the law is so strict on it. it's a failure of everything. just a succes of human depravity.