so if pre-emptivity is okay why don't we just nuke north korea now? or france cos you know given 100 years things might be different. lets not take the chance. and the pesky south africands might do something in the next 50 years. they deserve a hammering too.

yeah pre-emptivity. otherwise known as aggression. and first strike capaabilty became obselete with MAD.

yes but you aren't in wrestling exercises for days and hours. experiment yourself. the short stick method against the door frame and leaning against a wall with your fingertips for a while. then imagine doing it without sleep. with white noise, or insults played constantly (the current one in use is "subhuman" repeated).

so is rape a good form of torture? is it acceptable except in a comic book scenario? there are other better methods. like the rack......

a note just to add to the image. one of the sexual attacks in abu gharib was performed with a chemical light being entered into a man's anus. it broke. find a justification.

and i would like to see how rape is performed with menace. find me anyone who has been pleasantly raped.

the reason for the sex acts is dehumanisation.

and there lies the problem. can we continue dehumanising people? continue with rape and torture and then try to find reasons why it is right? try to conclude on a comic book scenario on why it might be okay? that applies to the ticking bomb scenario as well. they are extremely rare and wouldn't exist in a guerrilla war environment like iraq anyway.

torture is the best way of getting people killed. it's not an offensive or defensive move. it's the best way to get people killed while destroying others.