Zidane.
That guy clearly has some issues he should resolve.
Zidane.
That guy clearly has some issues he should resolve.
Like?
I often wonder why Zell has such an infatuation with hot dogs.
:joey:Originally Posted by DJZen
One word: Mukki. You know - that gay guy who rapes Cloud in the Honeybee Inn. "Loosen up, Bubby!" Or how about some of Cloud's dialogue in that scene: "It hurts..."? Seriously: IT HURTS?! WTF?! The most disturbing moment in video game history.... Poor Cloud....
Edited to add: Come to think of it, I'm not so sure it was rape.... I mean, Cloud took his sweet old time counting to 10.... instead of, you know, getting the hell out of there! My favourite part is when he eventually says to Mukki, "Not to be rude or anything, but could you go do someone else?" Just remember kids: always remember to be polite when someone's assaulting you! Let's just call their little encounter "semi-consensual".
What I want to know is - how the HELL did this game get rated 11+?! Was there something in the water at the BBFC premises? (I live in the UK)
All I can say is this: the game can thank it's crappy, can't-tell-anything-apart in-game graphics for escaping an 18+ rating! There is no way that FFVIII would've gotten away with the Honeybee Inn scenes!
But what if they remake the game for the PS3? With voices?! Can you imagine someone actually speaking lines like "Why don't you stick around and play a bit? Daddy's so lonely..."? I can see the voice
actor for Mukki arriving at the studio, reading the script and then saying "Hey! I agreed to do work on a video game, not a virtual porno! I quit!" And with the super-realistic graphics.... *passes out* Either some major changes are going to have to be made, or this game will go straight to an 18+/AO rating.
Last edited by scooby; 10-24-2005 at 02:37 AM.
Oh gawd, I forgot about Mukki. And the guys in the gym...now nobody can say there never has been a truly gay character in any Final Fantasy.
Oh right, Cid's character art in FFIV.
Kaycee says (12:06 AM):
whos' obama?
Yeah, Squall and those other guys are just posers and pretty boys; Mukki is the true Gay Lord! I mean, come on - you've gotta bow down to a guy who can put Cloud Strife on his list of conquests! Respect.Originally Posted by KoShiatar
Oh gawd, I forgot about Mukki. And the guys in the gym...now nobody can say there never has been a truly gay character in any Final Fantasy.
*ponders the moral implications of praising a potential rapist*
Horay for creative interpretation. No such event occured. Mukki was telling Cloud to relax and stop being so antisocial. As far as rape goes, that's yet another fantasy of your mind. Mukki was trying to wake Cloud up. Cloud is totally a catcher though.
Oh, you obviously missed out on a whole load of "gay orgy" fun. Next time, choose the "Group Room".Originally Posted by DJZen
Horay for creative interpretation. No such event occured. Mukki was telling Cloud to relax and stop being so antisocial. As far as rape goes, that's yet another fantasy of your mind. Mukki was trying to wake Cloud up. Cloud is totally a catcher though.
Just for kicks, this is a hilarious recap of the scene by Jeanne, of Videogame Recaps:
Disclaimer: all of the above content belongs to Jeanne of Videogame Recaps (though I did tinker with it a little). If you want to read more, you can go to this page: http://www.videogamerecaps.com/recap...ecap=15&page=2What follows is quite possibly the most disturbing scene ever found in an RPG. Cloud enters the unoccupied room along with the woman dressed as a slutty bee. She leads him over to a hot tub and asks if they should get started. "I guess that since you chose this room, that would mean you...hate being lonely?" I make Cloud say, "Cut the small talk." Clearly, he has no idea what's in store for him. "Come on, everyone's waiting," Slutty Bee tells him. As if on cue, there's a knock on the door and a large group of muscle men, most likely from the gym, run in. Cloud jumps out of the way in fear. I don't blame him. Some guy named Mukki says, "Wassup!!" I believe this game pre-dated that whole stupid "wazzup" commercial craze, so you can see that our popular media gets their ideas from gay crossdressing muscle men in Japanese video games.
I can make Cloud choose "I'm outta here" or "This could be dangerous....". I have no idea if it even matters what you pick during this scene, but I'm going to pick the choices that sound the most like they will extend the scene. So I pick the second. "Looks like I'm always going to be facing crises all my life...," is Cloud only reaction to the imminent molestation, like it's just one of those things he has to put up with. Mukki tells Cloud (who he calls "Bubby") to loosen up. He also says "...heave...pant..." between all of his lines. Disturbing. "Let's wash off all our sweat and dirt together!" Mukki suggests. "Wassup!!" Hey, I never said the dialogue made sense.
Cloud, despite his verbal protestations, makes no move to actually leave. The camera pans up suddenly, so that all we see is the top of Cloud's spiky hair. "Bubby! You're the intimate type, huh!!" Mukki says. It sounds dirty, but I have no clue what it means. There's some more of those "RPG clothing removal" sounds like we heard in the Clothing Store earlier, and Mukki, between more heaving and panting, shrieks, "Wow!! Would ya look at that!" Yes, he means Cloud's wang, for those of you who are innocent or slow. Not that I want to think about it, but I imagine that Cloud's unit is probably all blocky and crappy-looking like the rest of him. No, that doesn't turn me on. I'll probably have nightmares now.
The camera pans over as the guys "force" Cloud into the hot tub. We can still only see the tops of their heads. Once they are all decently in the tub, and no one's blocky units or asses are visible, the camera pans back down. All ten or so of the guys are squished into the little tub with Cloud. Once again, he's not exactly resisting. Mukki keeps jabbering about random [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]. He asks Cloud, "How is it? Feels good, huh?" I think he's just talking about bathing....until I read the reply choices: "......" or "It hurts". IT HURTS?! My innocent little self suddenly realizes just what they were doing to him all along. Okay, so I'm not innocent, I thought they were taking advantage of him all along, but I never expected them to actually live down to my sick expectations in a Final Fantasy game.
"I don't feel good. Let me out...," Cloud whines. Apparently he got more than he bargained for. At least it's not this. "You'll get used to it. Try counting to ten." My eyes are wide with shock, and two thoughts are running through my mind: "holy freaking [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]" and "hey....why couldn't they have a bath scene with Squall and Seifer?. Cloud starts counting down, rather than....I don't know, maybe running away. Mukki continues to make small talk while violating Cloud. He asks his age, and when Cloud tells him "twenty-one", Mukki admits that he's more than twice that old. He's old enough to be Cloud's dad. Ew. There are rhythmic wet sounds through this entire scene, by the way.
Next, Mukki asks if Cloud wants to join his "Young bubby's group". What the freakin' hell is a bubby anyway? I make Cloud answer "........" because we all know that he really does want to join the young bubby group. Hell, I think he's joining it right this second. When Cloud reaches the number six in his countdown, he says, "Not to be rude or anything, but could you go do someone else?" I love how he's all concerned about manners when he's being assaulted. Mukki replies, "Well, if that's how you feel....too bad." I do believe we call that "nonconsensual"....although I still think Cloud secretly enjoys it. I mean, it's not like he's counting to ten all that fast. When he finally finishes -- counting to ten, that is -- he gets out of the tub. Mukki is sad. "Why don't you stick around and play a bit?" he wonders. "Daddy's so lonely...." Now that's just wrong.
The camera pans up again so that we can't see any blocky male nudity, and suddenly everyone is out of the tub and dressed. Well, as dressed as they were before. The slutty bee chick is still in the background during this entire scene. Mukki apparently enjoyed his ravishment of Cloud, and gives him "bikini briefs" as a souvenir of their little encounter. I still don't know whether I'm highly amused or horribly disturbed. I think I want to cry.
I've highlighted the parts I'd like the detractors to explain to me. Especially Cloud's line "It hurts...." Doesn't seem very ambiguous to me....
Oh, and this is a link to a thread on Advent Children.forums where this topic was discussed specifically: http://forums.adventchildren.net/showthread.php?t=39434 You should read it, man. Pretty, er, interesting.
Still don't believe me? Here's a very disturbing screencap that shows that Cloud had his back to Mukki and the 9 other guys (who, like cloud, were all naked, btw): http://pics.livejournal.com/jen0va99/pic/0000g6pw Mukki is directly behind him and Cloud's hands are even gripping the side of the tub. Vomit now.
Last edited by scooby; 10-24-2005 at 07:14 AM.
I know people who might disagree.
Bloody hell! I am shocked and appalled! Very surprised too. Hmm, I think I'm gonna go eat a hotdog on an unrelated note.
Yeah.... that definately makes Cloud and Mukki the gayest couple in FF ever... even if it was rape. EEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWW...... so disturbing. I'm gonna go barf now...
"Die and be free of pain, or live and fight your sorrow!" - Auron
"Life is but a passing dream, but the death that follows is eternal." - Seymour
Ya know, I saw that scene, and I was so busy being stunned by what was going on in the first place that I missed some of those lines. And damn am I glad I did.
Seriously, no sex takes place in either scene. I've been through both of them and any such events are purely a work of your overactive imagination. My theory would be some sort of displacement issue.
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