I agree with ya 100%Originally Posted by Tifa's Real Lover(really
I agree with ya 100%
Kay, I'm going to have to ask that this be about a particular local, national or international event. Nothing is making much sense in here now.
And police officers are the first and foremost people in the world who can (and do) abuse their authority, and get away with it.
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Not a gun thread but; How is a young girl going to protect herself against armed gang members or indeed police officers? I don't need a gun, I'm big and tough. I'm knife proof, too. Well, ok, I wouldn't mind a gun though I'm rather less at-risk than a lot of others. I don't want gun for me, I want one for my girlfriend. I'm sure her learning a martial art would help her be safer; I'd rather know she actually has a fighting chance.
I'm glad we can all agree that rape is bad.
As far as I can tell, knowledge of martial arts would be far more helpful in a situation like this than a gun would. Hell, a knife would probably be more effective than a gun.
Depends on how they approach. If it's a bunch of clowns making it obvious they're about to try something? Gun. If it's a lone maniac who grabs you from behind? Martial arts or melee weapon. But one does not preclude the other.
here is a little off topic, but not so much question.
How do you guys feel about statatiory rape?
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I dunno how much help martial arts would be in that situation. yes they would help.. but I would definately want a gun for back up. Plan is, use MA to knock them back then draw the gun.
In very close quarter combat(such as would likely be in a rape case where a gun wouldn't help) you are basically wrestling. Now in wrestling every lb matters. And who is heavier? The guy has a huge advantage there alone. I have seen skilled wrestlers fall to guys that are 40 or so lbs heavier then them that had little skill. And that 40lbs just happens to be near the average wieght diffrence between male and female in my area. So therefore martial arts likely wouldn't ensnare a victory by itself except in certian situations. A gun and melee weapon are good back ups.
Now if the female had some distance(used a wrestling/MA breakaway move and succede) then MA will come in handy. I say this because on average(in this area of course) women are quicker on their feet and more agile then men. And I have fought in those situations and brute force + weight doesn't help nearly as much as it does in very close quarters(wrestling type environ). However, if you got some distance a gun could quite possibly be better if you know how to use it. Not to mention it saves you from the iffy. That range is close enough that missing would be tough, and a gun wound will at least slow/weaken someone a bit. Thus giving you the advantage(hopefully).
Anyways these are just how I have seen it. The situation of a women with rape seems like a wrestling situation to me(and yes for those unaware wrestling is classed as a form of martial arts) and in wrestling wieght and raw muscle plays a big part(bigger the smaller you are... less as you get higher up). And the 40lb difference as well as the muscle power advantage between man and woman that I see here can easily devastate even someone with more experience. Thus, I see the breakaway and draw gun as a gals best chance. Best not to risk it. The more wieght added on the more likely it is to go in the guys favor, unless you break away.
As a last note I am assuming the assultant knows a bit about some fighting art. Reason being just about every guy in my area knows something about fighting.
Edit- IBCrayZ here is a link to a topic a couple months old on it. if you want to look through it that is. I know my stance hasn't really changed much(perhaps some specifics but not the overall thinking).
http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=65456
Last edited by ShunNakamura; 10-20-2005 at 07:37 AM.
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People raped people far more in the Biblical days and the days before societies were developed than they ever have in our lifetimes. I mean, atleast its considered something bad and punishable rather than something just in a man's nature, or the fault of the woman for being involintarily seductive.
I like Kung-Fu.
I heard back in the days of slavery that slave masters would rape the black women and if their husbands walked in on accident then they would get beaten...
*agrees*
To all gun-maniacs: So... let's say that you've got a gun. Yeah, right. What now? Are you actually going to fire? For any SANE person, it's hard to pull the trigger (mentaly, not pshycicaly) even if it's against a rapist. You should know that there will be consequences.
Are just going to aim it at him/them? What if you fire by misstake? What if they are stupid enough to keep walking closer to you? And even more important... what if you're not fast enough?
Guns in general are not very reliable weapons and they can easily change owner in chaotic situations. Rapists are sick people. A gun in the hands of a sick person is a bad idea. Actually... a gun in the hands of ANY person is a bad idea. Guns sucks.
As for rape itself, I think it's just as bad as murder.
As for self defense weapons, I think common sence is the best defence you have. I think a blow horn would be better as if it does change hands in the middle of a struggle, what would the rapeist do? Not honk it?
I am not for guns in such casual situations. I am sure the psyco people whom one needs to protect themselves from are not as scared of the gun or knife as one might think.
Bipper
Actually, everyone's afraid of guns. You'll stop most criminals just by showing that you have one. Don't even have to draw it.
Look at the states in the US where right-to-carry laws hold. Violent crimes are cut by half in those states, in comparison to population.... the criminals are too scared to act. Of course, it doesn't have much effect in stopping the most common violent crime- which is from people you know personally.
Training to use the weapon, however, is the thing no one ever appreciates. A knife or gun in an untrained, frightened, person's hand.... might as well not even have a weapon, it's safer just to let the attacker have what they want and leave. Most rapists are criminals of opportunity, and very few of them will hurt the victem any more than what is necessary for their goals.
However, a gun being held by someone who knows they can hit a target.... you'll never need to fire a shot. True, if you're up against a gang of people, you can't shoot them all. But there aren't many who are eager to be amongst the ones you DO hit.
Thank you udsuna.
The gun for me is indeed more of a psychological tool then an actual weapon. Guns introduce an unrealable variable in such situations. I wrestle I know that the guy gots a big advantage that close up just from size alone. However, the break away I know can be done on people far bigger. Break away and draw gun(this would likely take sometraining). Normally by anyone with some knowledge you would be hit very soon after you broke out. However, if you draw the moment you get the chance(likely in the middle of your break away) then you can have the gun trained on them before the begin the hit on you. And for many the gun would at least induce a second hesitation(allowing you to back further up and further secure your safety). And if you keep backing up they may actually just decide to let you go(afterall you aren't telling them to stay still til the police come, you just want to leave). Course they may not want you to leave due to the fact that you could identify them. But some may rather risk that then death.
And yes guns can change hands. Which is why you have to be ready to expect such manuveurs(thought that still may not help).
As with anything you do need training with it. What I am trying to get accross is that MA alone won't protect you, a knife alone won't protect you, a gun alone wouldn't protect you, etc. But a mix of some of them and you increase your protection net.
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Oh, anti-gun people again, eh?
Kleck study.
Finito.
Sorry, I would not say I am anti gun by any means. As ShunNakamura had pointed out, it takes a bit of training, and an unconfident person in such a fray may end up losing control. Therefore, I think the more audible apporach (personal sound alarms, air horns, etc) are a great alternative. Nothing wrong with a little nickle plated supprise though. Just go for the kneecaps is all I ask
Bipper
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