Awww, just be quiet! Ultima Weapon is overall harder than Omega, end of discussion!Originally Posted by ThroneofDravaris
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Awww, just be quiet! Ultima Weapon is overall harder than Omega, end of discussion!
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I find that quite hard to believe...Awww, just be quiet! Ultima Weapon is overall harder than Omega, end of discussion!
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If you fight them both at high levels, fully equipped, Omega Weapon is harder due to its much higher HP. No matter how random Ultima’s attacks are, it doesn’t make up for the fact that one Lion Heart will always take it out.Awww, just be quiet! Ultima Weapon is overall harder than Omega, end of discussion!
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If you fight them at low level, without equipment (or more basic equipment) or Junctioning…Omega is STILL harder, or undefeatable to be precise.
.: Omega>Ultima.
Note that I’m not talking about some sort of insane challenge in which you fight them both blind folded here. How you managed to do that is beyond me…
one cheap combo from zell can also kill ultimate weapon unlike maybe 5 to 8 for omega
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But you may not get in any Lion Hearts. Also with Armagedon Fists, Omega's HP hardly matters and he will die before he hardly even gets to do anything at all. Ultima Weapons high speed may actually let him do SOMETHING before you pull off your Armagedon Fists.
If you don't include the thing about levels, that's sooo not true!
Completely without ANY junctioning and without upgraded weapons, the easiest way is to use The End. It's cheat in my opinion, yes, but we're not talking about what I think is right or wrong to do, right? And since Omega's slower and always starts off with Level 5 Death which can be avoided, you're given more time to get The End in the battle against Omega than in the battle against Ultima where 1 singel Quake may finish off your entire party before you even can do anything at all.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Patience, knowledge, timing and a cup of tea.
Ok, just so that you know. I always have and always will refuse to agree that Omega is harder than Ultima, no matter what.
Sorry but I really can't see how this makes Omega HARDER. It only makes him take a little longer to beat, but he's not tougher in any way. Also, Ultima Weapon is STILL faster than Omega, nuff said. And Omega's first 2 moves are pretty useless... and he's dead before he can use his third.
Last edited by Ultima Shadow; 11-01-2005 at 05:03 AM.
you've got to be kidding me... Though i dont use armagedons fist, it still can't kill omega that easily... he will still around 8 to 10 turns left before he will cast terra break on you, and if you dont have defend or holy/hero then youre practically screwed. Ultimate weapon may be fast but his moves are not as deadly... except for light pillar which hits one person for 9999 damage... however you can counter it with life, full life, phoenix down and then cast curaga or restore, or elixer etc...
about the junctioning its very hard (emphasis on hard) but possible to beat omega/ultimate weapon without junctioning magic to your stats... if you have squall even without his ultimate weapon, simply use rough divide all time, with aura on all your characters; omega/ultimate weapon being meltdowned; zell doing armaggedon fist, and rinoa in angel wing form, having no magic in her stock except meteor then its possible to win, if you defend at the right times, and have a lot of life items... (however a challenge which includes no magic use especially aura and meltdown would be even more harder)
I don't use armagadon fist but another combo involving heel drop, and booya, and an ocassional punch rush when starting...
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The problem with Armageddon Fists is that you’re not always going to get a ludicrous amount of time to pull it off. This means that Omega has an advantage over Ultima when it comes to this combo, since he has much higher HP.
Then include levels…
Zell: 1 HP + Aura= atleast 10 second Duel= 6 hits for 9999 a second= 10x6=60x9999= almost 600,000 dammage. 2 Duels will be enough if you're good at it.
Geez, like I mentioned earlier I HAVE beaten them both with only command junctioning, the least powerful weapons, limmited GFs and all that stuff. And Rough Divide is NOT the way to go, neither is Armagedon Fists. 2 Characters (Quistis and Irvine are far more useful than Squall and Zell) are far too busy trying to make the party survive while Rinoa is using Angel Wings, to do any serious dammage on Omega at all.
I said "NO JUNCTIONING AT ALL", then The End is the only guaranteed way to actually work if you're limmited in stats, weapons and all that stuff too.
The time only varies a little. It depends a lot on Zell's current status. If he has 1 Hp + Aura, he's guaranteed to get about 10-12 seconds.
Since Omega's permanently on level 100, we should only count level 100 Ultima as well. Otherwise it's UNFAIR!!! *runs off and cries in a corner*
Last edited by Ultima Shadow; 11-01-2005 at 05:36 AM.
i dont think zell can do 9999 each hit in the chain even if he is 1 hp and on aura. but his time to do combos is increased if that is the case than there is no point to using meltdown if you have zell in your team. [when you imply this there is an assumption that Ultimicia would have a higher defence as after she does hell's judgement and brings your hp to 1 and you are aura/ed, you still only do about 4000 to 5000 each hit (with an occasional 9999)] if your str is already maxed out. i think you have not included the fact that luck defines critical hits (therefore 9999) which IMO is near impossible to achieve if your don't use luck+50%
when i mean using magic, it does not need to be junctioned to your stats but can be lefted in your magic stockpile as in the case of rinoa. for example if you leave only meteor in your stockpile with rinoa, while squall and zell have defend that its possible, if rinoa is dead, quicky revive, restore, aura and then kick omega's behind (you need to have a lot of items and i dont include hero or holy war)... and i dont think omega is permanently at lvl 100 otherwise versing him at lvl 90 would be say better than at level 50... and the end is near impossible to do on a pc, without hacking
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Once again, you're wrong. It's easy to get Zell's strength to 255 and get in a meltdown with "other character#1" and then Aura with "other character#2" before doing Duel with Zell. Every non-critical hit will do more than 8000 dammage. The thing is... the "hit" status, not only the luck status increases the chanse of getting critical hits. It's easy to max both strength and hit AND get a high Luck, resulting in almost only critical hits. So most of your hits would do 9999 while a few would do 8000+ dammage. Ok, maybe you actually would need to do 3 Duels if you're not fast enough, but with good speed and haste, you'll be able to do 3 Duels before Omega even gets to do his second move.
I won't repeat myself. And in the PS version, Omega's permanent at level 100. If he actually is at lower levels in the PC version, then man... he must be EVEN easier! Then Ultima probably beats Omega when you fight them with a low-level party too.
I thought this was without junctioning - hmm... how can you get almost max stats without junctioning... do you refine stuff to get bonus ups? oh and how can you get high luck? I find it really hard...
well no... his level rises in conjuction with the average lvl of my party
hence when i first played ff8 and i leveled up to 100 (because i thought leveling up was like that other FFs) and beat him; he was as hard when my characters were around level 62...
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AAARGH! No, THIS was about how to kick their asses with a "maxed" party! *sigh* :rolleyes2
*gives Necro Arc the "most confusing member of the year" award*
ok to make this simple
a) nearly impossible to max all stats including speed, evade, hit rate for all characters and luck
b) to get nearly every move done by zell to 8000 and over would require high luck and you said hit rate so, hit rate
c) lvl 100 vs omega - very hard
lvl 62 vs omega - very hard
that about sums it up i think...
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Just for references purposes only..please dun start any arguments....
But I do agree Ultima Weapon had higher stats than Omega Weapon when it is level 100 but this does not include HP.
And you can easily get kill by Light Pillars if your spd stats is low or you just goof around.
Considering how much crap you have to go though to fight it, I’m surprised they bothered with that last part…
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