Abortion!

[Sasquatch]

As I said before, if the person who relies on the machine doesn't have the funds to pay for it the state government, federal government or hostpital will just let them die. Unless you are advocating that the government pay fully for anyone on life support...which would be an insane waste of tax payer dollars.

The person doesn't have to be rich. Insurance will cover most of the bills, and there are multiple charitable organizations that will chip in for the rest of it. And I'm not just talking about people on 24-hour life support, I mean people like my grandmother who have to go in for dialisis every couple of days because their kidneys don't filter their blood anymore, or people who have to carry around an oxygen tank to breathe, or people who can't move without a wheelchair. Is it fair to say "they can't survive on their own, so they don't deserve to live", like you do concerning unborn children? What, "I don't want to carry you around, so f--- you, get out of my body"?

Wow, another topic that really should have gone in EoTW/EoEO, yet for some mysterious reason...

You are right. But I knew many people would pay attention to it if it were here, but it should be moved to EoEO really.

Putting it in General means more responses, and after all, it's supposed to be policy not to move threads to EoEO or EOTW, I guess. Doesn't mean much, but still.

[edczxcvbnm]

I was talking about people on 24 hour life support because that is what a 'baby' is on in the womb. The person that needs on O2 tank to live can still go around and support theirselves and do things for themselves. That is a bad comparision if that is what you are using. The only one that is a reasonable comparision is those on 24 hour life support.

[Sasquatch]

The person on an Oxygen tank cannot live without the tank. The person in a wheelchair cannot function without the wheelchair. They all rely on something (or somebody) else to keep them alive. Just like a child, whether it be born or unborn. It's a perfectly reasonable comparison.

[edczxcvbnm]

No it isn't. They can not live without the tank but they can still go about their lives on their own at a slight disadvantage. The guy in the wheel chair can still go to the store and shop on his own. The baby can't move or do ANYTHING for itself. It is 100% reliant on where it is to stay alive. It can't hop out and go to the store. It can't hop out and talk to people.

That is why I say they are different. The baby is on life support...literally. Those you mentioned are not. It is debatable with the oxygen tank person but that is just getting enough O2. They can still breath on their own.

[boris no no]

i'm being lazy and i'm not reading all this thread, plus i've heard it all before
ok think this. a university student, in the middle of their degree with everything ahead of them. one stupid drunk night out. she gets pregnant. should she ruin 20 odd years of her life caring for the child she dosnt want, knows ruined her future. thinking about what job she could of had, whether she could have a husband, no man will touch her with a child in the picture (its a common thing)
so some of you are saying that she should end her life there because of the joining of an egg and sperm, because of a mistake?
abortion should not be used as an excuse though, far too many young girls use it as an advantage. but still. its the womans body, not the mans that the baby grows in, her responsiblity.
this argument is old and noone will win it

[Winter Nights]

i'm being lazy and i'm not reading all this thread, plus i've heard it all before
ok think this. a university student, in the middle of their degree with everything ahead of them. one stupid drunk night out. she gets pregnant. should she ruin 20 odd years of her life caring for the child she dosnt want, knows ruined her future. thinking about what job she could of had, whether she could have a husband, no man will touch her with a child in the picture (its a common thing)
so some of you are saying that she should end her life there because of the joining of an egg and sperm, because of a mistake?
abortion should not be used as an excuse though, far too many young girls use it as an advantage. but still. its the womans body, not the mans that the baby grows in, her responsiblity.
this argument is old and noone will win it

I'm gonna be even lazier and just quote this thread, giving it a quick "I agree".

[Leeza]

It was also her <i>responsiblity</i> to use protection on that night, which she didn't. So it's not the baby that would be ruining her life, it's her own stupidity so the baby should not be blamed and made to pay. The least the baby deserves is to put up for adoption.

[*__*)]

Some people will argue that they can't take care of it for some reason or another. Then give it up for adoption, it's that simple really.

[boris no no]

It was also her <i>responsiblity</i> to use protection on that night, which she didn't. So it's not the baby that would be ruining her life, it's her own stupidity so the baby should not be blamed and made to pay. The least the baby deserves is to put up for adoption.

so from one night her life is gone? nah
and sometimes condoms split
sometimes the pill is not effective
sometimes the cap can slip
what if she was careful?
if i was in that situation i would not risk my future

Some people will argue that they can't take care of it for some reason or another. Then give it up for adoption, it's that simple really.

thats so hard to do. and how many children are actually adopted? theres only so much money governments can put into childrens homes and such

[Old Manus]

Ethan Hunt didn't abort and his team got killed

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How I see it, to go into more detail, is that once the baby is developed, even slightly, it's developed. More likely than not, it will be born and it will become an adult. I would worry, what if, just what if, that baby would have been the person to cure cancer/AIDs/diabetes, or would have been an amazing musician, or even would have been someone's soul mate. You'd be depriving the world of someone who could be potentially amazing. They could be the person who says one nice thing to someone who is just about to blow their head off because they think no one cares, or they could be someone's parent. It's really a big "what if" and alternate demension thing that makes me really wonder.

I too have thought of that. Just think of this, if Hironobu Sakaguchi had been aborted, we wouldn't even be here discussing this right now.

[Winter Nights]

Ethan Hunt didn't abort and his team got killed

QFT.

[Leeza]

<i>so from one night her life is gone? nah
and sometimes condoms split
sometimes the pill is not effective
sometimes the cap can slip
what if she was careful?
if i was in that situation i would not risk my future</i> ~ boris no no

Whatever. All I know is that if this is information that I know about a person, it really affects my feelings towards them and they do go down quite a few notches in my book. And there is a big difference between condoms breaking and <i>one stupid drunk night out. she gets pregnant.</i> If you make your bed, lie in it. Blaming a baby for what happens after <i>one stupid drunk night out</i> instead of taking responsibily for your own actions doesn't say much for one's character.

[Winter Nights]

Cause we should all base our life decisions on what others might think of us. :rolleyes2

[boris no no]

<i>so from one night her life is gone? nah
and sometimes condoms split
sometimes the pill is not effective
sometimes the cap can slip
what if she was careful?
if i was in that situation i would not risk my future</i> ~ boris no no

Whatever. All I know is that if this is information that I know about a person, it really affects my feelings towards them and they do go down quite a few notches in my book. And there is a big difference between condoms breaking and <i>one stupid drunk night out. she gets pregnant.</i> If you make your bed, lie in it. Blaming a baby for what happens after <i>one stupid drunk night out</i> instead of taking responsibily for your own actions doesn't say much for one's character.

i would so love to comment on that but i might get banned for being rude to a CK
its not stupid. maybe she could blame the baby after is born, hating it, never showing it love
what a wonderful future for them both