Abortion!

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Whatever. All I know is that if this is information that I know about a person, it really affects my feelings towards them and they do go down quite a few notches in my book. And there is a big difference between condoms breaking and one stupid drunk night out. she gets pregnant. If you make your bed, lie in it. Blaming a baby for what happens after one stupid drunk night out instead of taking responsibily for your own actions doesn't say much for one's character. -Leeza

Exactly. Couldn't agree with you more.

[Leeza]

<i>Cause we should all base our life decisions on what others might think of us. </i> - Autumn Rain

Of course not, but it sure does say a lot about a person.

<i>i would so love to comment on that but i might get banned for being rude to a CK
its not stupid. maybe she could blame the baby after is born, hating it, never showing it love
what a wonderful future for them both</i> - boris no no

If she gave it up for adoption she would have no reason to think of the baby again. It would be out of her life. But the baby <i>would</i> have a life.

[Yamaneko]

I haven't read any of this thread except for the first post. My thoughts on abortion are that it's entirely up to the woman during the first trimester. During the second trimester she needs consent from either her parents or if she is married, her husband. During the last trimester, abortion should only be an option if the woman's health is in danger because of the baby.

[Lindy]

Looking for a safe stance on abortion? Me neither.

[Winter Nights]

While I myself would prefer the adoption course of action and would never consider abortion, I can see why that route would be taken. So if someone else wants to take that path, I say it's their business to do so.

So, I guess I'm ProChoice, but personally against abortion. If that makes any sense at all. o__O

[RPJesus]

If I can just ask, all of you who are against abortion for the reason that it is 'murder', do you eat meat? Is that not murder? And, in many cases, did that animal not suffer before it was killed, just for a bit of cash?

[Leeza]

I'm a vegetarian, RPJesus.

[RPJesus]

Good good. So you're not in favour of killing at all. At least at you're not being hypocritcal, then. I mean, that's fine, really, 'cause there's nothing wrong with respecting life. If anything, it's good

[Yamaneko]

I know where Leeza is coming from. It's different for men, and even women who have never been pregnant.

[Sasquatch]

If I can just ask, all of you who are against abortion for the reason that it is 'murder', do you eat meat? Is that not murder? And, in many cases, did that animal not suffer before it was killed, just for a bit of cash?

Comparing human life to animals shows your disrespect for human life. And don't compare murder to killing anything, as there's a difference between kill and murder.

They can not live without the tank but they can still go about their lives on their own at a slight disadvantage. The guy in the wheel chair can still go to the store and shop on his own. The baby can't move or do ANYTHING for itself. It is 100% reliant on where it is to stay alive.

Just as people in wheelchairs are 100% reliant on their wheelchair for mobility, or most people with O2 tanks are 100% reliant on their tank, or people who need dialisis are 100% reliant on that dialisis to filter their blood. Without the Oxygen, without the wheelchair, without the dialisis, they would not survive. It's a life support system. Mentally handicapped, say people with Downs Syndrome, usually can't function without the assistance of a caretaker. With your "logic", the caretakers should be able to decide whether they want to continue caring for their patient or murder them to be rid of the inconvenience.

ok think this. a university student, in the middle of their degree with everything ahead of them. one stupid drunk night out. she gets pregnant. should she ruin 20 odd years of her life caring for the child she dosnt want, knows ruined her future. thinking about what job she could of had, whether she could have a husband, no man will touch her with a child in the picture (its a common thing)

One stupid drunk night out. One irresponsible drunk night out. She screwed up. She faces the consequences. Pretty simple. She knows she has a degree ahead of her, she knows she has thousands of dollars invested in her education, she should be smart enough (and responsible enough) to NOT compromise that with "one stupid drunk night out". Even if she has the child and keeps it, she can still continue her education, find a job, and get a husband (yes, single mothers DO marry again). If she doesn't want to "ruin her future"* by keeping the child, she can give it up for adoption. By your "logic", parents should be able to murder their children when they graduate high school, because paying for their college might screw up their retirement funds.

*How many parents will ever say that having children "ruined their future"?

and how many children are actually adopted?

Yes, the adoption program needs to be revamped. But usually, it's not nearly as bad as it's made out to be. And as I pointed out before, there are many more parents waiting to adopt children than there are abortions. Maybe more would be adopted if hundreds of thousands of children weren't slaughtered every month in abortion "clinics".

As little respect as I have for my biological mother, when she got pregnant in high school (not by my father), at least she had the decency to let the child live with parents who are happy to have it, instead of murdering it so she wouldn't have to bear the "inconvenience".

[War Angel]

all of you who are against abortion for the reason that it is 'murder', do you eat meat? Is that not murder?

Animals cannot be murdered, only killed. 'Murder' is a term saved solely for humans.

Anyway, it makes me very mad to see self-righteous people who say they 'look down' upon someone, if they had the misfortune of having to commit abortion. Who the fook are you to judge, and make calls on other people's lives? Is it RIGHT to bring a baby to this world, when the parent is incapable of raising him\her? Is it RIGHT to give a child and his parents a life-time of misery, just because of some pseudo-religious pro-life crappy theories say a microscopic mass of cells is equivelant to a living, thinking and breathing human-being?

When a feutus is aborted and killed, in its most advanced stages, it is no more advanced or 'human' than a cockroach. It has a very simple blood-pump, very primitive lungs (if you could call those non-functioning breathing organs 'lungs'), no functioning brain, stumps where its limbs out to be... that's not human. Not yet. And so, it can be rid of, especially if letting it evolve would mean tremendous suffering for all those involved. No-body's killing babies - saying something like that is so very, very wrong and offensive, it borders in my eyes on slander, and its motives are stemmed in prejudice and ignorance.

[Winter Nights]

Comparing human life to animals shows your disrespect for human life. And don't compare murder to killing anything, as there's a difference between kill and murder.

Animals cannot be murdered, only killed. 'Murder' is a term saved solely for humans.

Just to note, that's a matter of speculation, not fact. Most Animal Rights supporters would tend to disagree with you.

Not that I care. I love me some bacon. xD

[Leeza]

<i>Anyway, it makes me very mad to see self-righteous people who say they 'look down' upon someone, if they had the misfortune of having to commit abortion.</i> ~ War Angel

After a <i>stupid drunk night out?</i>. Can't help myself.
A legitimate abortion that would put the mother's life in danger if she didn't have one? These are the cases that abortions are for and I sure wouldn't look down on anyone for doing that.

<i>Who the fook are you to judge, and make calls on other people's lives?</i> ~ War Angel

Everybody judges everyone else and they'd be lying if they say that they don't. You've also just judged me.

[Winter Nights]

Everybody judges everyone else and they'd be lying if they say that they don't.

Who are you to be the judge of that???






Just couldn't resist.

[Sasquatch]

Just to note, that's a matter of speculation, not fact. Most Animal Rights supporters would tend to disagree with you.

Yes, most "Animal Rights" supporters also disrespect human life by putting more emphasis on animal life. It is shameful, very. People would protest against somebody eating meat or wearing fur, but support the "choice" of a mother to murder her own child.

Anyway, it makes me very mad to see self-righteous people who say they 'look down' upon someone, if they had the misfortune of having to commit abortion.

"...the misfortune of having to commit abortion"? What the hell is that? Nobody has the misfortune of having to commit murder. And nobody has to have an abortion, unless the mother's life is in danger. Which is the only way many of us support the option.

Who the fook are you to judge, and make calls on other people's lives?

Who the "fook" are you, or anybody else, to make the call to murder a baby?

No-body's killing babies - saying something like that is so very, very wrong and offensive, it borders in my eyes on slander, and its motives are stemmed in prejudice and ignorance.

Who the fook are you to judge

Well? How's that for ignorance?