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    im not asking this is what squall of seed wrote on the topic of osma in a faq on gamefaqs.com

    Part 16: What is Ozma?

    The enigmatic Ozma's origins are one of the more prevailing mysteries of Final
    Fantasy IX. The best we're offered in-game is that Ozma was residing in or
    around an "Eidolon cave" (a rock formation on the Chocobo's Air Garden),
    implying that the creature is an Eidolon of sorts. Why then does the creature
    not bear a more definite form, instead being a ball of swirling energy?:

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1..._Seed/Ozma.jpg
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ed/OzmaGIF.gif


    The answer lies in the origin of Eidolons, and why they bear forms at all. We
    learn both of these things from the Eidolon Wall in Madain Sari:

    (Written on the Eidolon Wall in Madain Sari, and accessible after performing
    the small sidequest necessary to reveal all of the writing on the wall.)
    -The Legend of Eidolons-

    "We discovered eidolons by researching legends documented from around the
    world. The Thunder God, Ramuh, is one of those legends. Some theorize that the
    eidolons were created from the legends, and not the other way around."

    -The First Eidolon Discovered, Shiva-

    "Shiva took the form of a young girl when she was first discovered. She now
    appears as a grown woman. Eidolons adapt their forms to the time and culture
    in which they appear. Shiva illustrates this theory. In certain areas, Shiva
    is depicted as a snow fairy. This cannot be verified, since the only written
    document that remains is in the summoner village. People associate Shiva with
    the snow fairy. Why she changes forms remains a mystery."


    Eidolons are born of legends and the collective memories of people, and the
    conceptualizations these people hold for Eidolons give them their forms. From
    this we can infer that Ozma no longer has a form because those whose memories
    and conceptualizations of Ozma gave him life are gone and that all those who
    remembered his original form are gone.

    While it's true that some beings knew of Ozma, such as the Yan of the
    Friendly Monsters (after completing the side quest involving them by giving
    the Friendly Yan a Diamond, it will say "Reach the round guy..." if you
    haven't already defeated Ozma, or "Reach the round guy... Huh?! You already
    beat him?!" if you have) and Hades (if you've already defeated Ozma before
    fighting him, he will say "What? You defeated Ozma? ...I've come too far to
    retreat now!"), and Regent Cid I of Lindblum (one of the Chocograph Pieces
    left behind by him says "There...danger in the sky. If you dar...to face it,
    use this rec...to find your way," suggesting that he knew of a "danger in the
    sky" and was leaving a trail to find one's way to it), whether they knew of
    him before or after he became a ball of swirling energy is unknown, though I
    would hazard to guess that it was after, as the Friendly Yan knows of him as a
    round being, and if either the Friendly Monsters or Hades had known of Ozma
    in its original form it's possible that it would still retain that form.

    While it may be suggested that Ozma was always such a ball, personally, I find
    it unlikely -- upon examining the forms taken by other Eidolons, being in some
    cases very detailed and intricate -- that when first conceptualized, Ozma had
    the form that it is seen as having when fighting it.

    Something else worthy of consideration in regard to Ozma is that the Brady
    Games official strategy guide for Final Fantasy IX refers to the rock
    formation that has to be accessed in order to bring Ozma forth as the "Eidolon
    grave":

    "The most terrifying enemy in the game is not the final Boss, but the creature
    hidden at the Eidolon grave in Chocobo's Air Garden."

    (For proof of this, we need only refer to the official US online strategy
    guide for the game: http://www.square-enix-usa.com/strategy/FF9/

    Once at the site, go to "Sidequests/Secrets," then to "More," and then to
    "Ozma."

    For further proof, refer to these screenshots from the guide itself:
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...dolonGrave.jpg
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...olonGrave2.jpg)


    With this in mind, it would suggest that Ozma is "dead." Why then is he alive
    and can be fought? Once created, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only
    converted into other forms. Ozma's original form is gone, forgotten along with
    all those who would have known his original form. We know that Eidolons don't
    die in the traditional sense, as Bahamut was destroyed by Alexander, yet can
    still be summoned thereafter (just as Espers can die in Final Fantasy VI, but
    then be summoned through their Magicite). Bahamut, however, was remembered,
    and retained his form, whereas this was not the case with Ozma.

    While this provides us with an explanation of Ozma's origin, it leaves the
    question of why Ozma is so much more powerful than other Eidolons in the game
    (with the possible exception of Alexander, the full extent of his power,
    perhaps, not being fully displayed), which may be answered by the fact that
    he was simply THAT powerful, just as Alexander's power completely dwarfed
    Bahamut's.

    It could perhaps be argued that Ozma was the collective energies of all
    forgotten ("dead") Eidolons that had existed, but that's a more difficult
    theory to draw in-game support for. The matter of memory affecting the forms
    taken by Eidolons can be proven at least.

    In summary, Ozma is a forgotten/"dead" Eidolon that was -- for whatever reason
    -- residing within that rock formation on the Chocobo's Air Garden.


    in an nut shell osma is a dead/forgotton Eidolon

    IF any one wanna argue fine with me just get some proof of your theroy plz
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    there was a picture here

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    thats pretty cool. i think you might be right, especily with all the evidence!
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    Quote Originally Posted by * White Aeris *
    thats pretty cool. i think you might be right, especily with all the evidence!
    Are you referring to sub zero or Old Manus?

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    sub zero!
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    Anyway,the link directed by Old Manus had this point too:

    Considering Ozma is just a big ball of forgotten Eidolons, it's not that farfetched that Griever might be a part of or even a base for it.

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    good point!! ::looks worried because she didn't realise it was a link::
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    Quote Originally Posted by * White Aeris *
    Old Manus, of course!
    Yeah, I thought so! Ozma is totally grever!

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    hey!!
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    osma is grever for all you squares


    there was a picture here

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    o god
    i mistaked the title for
    what is osama? :rolleyes2
    lol
    Last edited by GunbladeMaster; 11-02-2005 at 07:56 PM.

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    nice theory. it certainly seems correct. its not fully explained in the game but a lot of these theorie are very interesting.
    P.S.I still like scorpion better!
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    i forgot about the osma is greiver thead lol.
    The vertical limit is 250 pixels.:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou:IMG]http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/coverv/45/132645.jpg[/IMG]
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    It's GREVER


    there was a picture here

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    no!!! its GROVER!!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4
    ...*holds up free hugs sign.*

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