Black Metal

[Crushed Hope]

1. Progressive Metal (key band: Dream Theater)
2. Power Metal (key band: Blind Guardian, though they began as thrash and slowly shifted their style)
3. Progressive-death (key band: Opeth)
4. Classic (NWOBHM) metal (key band: Iron Maiden)
5. Thrash metal (key band: Megadeth)
6. Melo-death (key band: In Flames)
7. NWOAHM (key band: Killswitch Engage)

Actually there is a genre of metal that goes by Viking metal, it is led by bands like Ensiferum, Tyr, Equilibrium, Einherjer, Falkenbach, Moonsorrow etc. Very good stuff, and seeing as only bands who can play it do, I have never heard a single bad viking metal band.

Anyways, I shall correct your genre list, not saying you don't like the bands but just helping you classify.

1. Fine.

2. Good except Blind Guardian never played thrash, they played speed.

3. Alright, however Opeth are more Progressive metal than prog death, ... actually in some albums even closer to Prog. Rock. Symbolic-era Death would be a better example.

4. Traditional metal aka Heavy metal is not synonomyous with NWOBHM, as NWOBHM is a MOVEMENT, and Trad. Metal is the genre, with bands like Maiden and Priest.

5. Okay, though Megadeth have had some speed moments.

6. Alright, one of the few to properly use Melo-death to describe the Gothensmurf bands.

7. As with NWOBHM, NWOAHM is a "movement" though not so much as its British counterpart, infact most bands in this "movement" play uninspired metalcore (i.e. Lamb of God, KsE, Chimira etc.)

Anyways yay. >_>

[Venom]

is viking metal like, Heavy folk?

[Rini]

(to jrgen and CH earlier)

Why are you attacking me all of a sudden, anyways? Is it 'cause I used a reference to wikipedia or something?

And so maybe it is that black metal nowadays is what you say, all about music and none about the lyrics, but somehow I don't get it that some bands would sing about jesus and all that and be black metal. You know, it just doesn't sound right in my ear. Neither does that dragon stuff. Of course there are exceptions everywhere but bleh. Since you seem to be all set with your opinions, I won't bother trying to explain anything anymore (and you probably will be more than glad about it since you probably consider me a noob of some kind or something like that at least). So you just sit tight and listen to you Jesus-loving black metal bands and be as happy as ever. Thank you for the slap in the face also :)

[Traitorfish]

By that definition than rock is a subgenre of jazz, which is a subgenre of blues. >_>

It isn't true. Musical instruments may be similar but they are played very differently, and I'd be damned if anyone can point me to a song that has guitars being played like Heathen, and still are rock.

Metal is a sub-genre of rock. So's punk, but punk is very different from other forms of rock. Don't make stuff up to help your 'I listen to metal and am therefore cool' superioirty complex.
Metal's a kind of rock. What's the big deal? It's just music, y'know?

Oh, and by your standars, fauvisism is not a form of post-impressionism because it differs from pointilism. (I can be smart-assed and elitist too).

[Venom]

Is it just me or is this thread getting a little intense?

Well anyway I think we should all just call Heavy Metal, Heavy metal, it seems rather confusing to have 50000 diffrent categorys of metal.

[Crushed Hope]

Was that for Jrgen or me? Heh, I just supported him not attacking anyone >_>

Anyways, Black metal never was based on lyrics unless you count Mercyful Fate and Venom as 1st wave BM, which I really find stupid as they obviously play heavy and thrash (coresponding to the order mentioned.)

I do understand that you find the bands to have a certain lyrical theme as a whole, but there are alot of exceptions, I mean Emperor never was a "gay for Satan" band. Immortal never were, they glorified winter. Woods of Ypres sing about how summer is a season of agony >_>. Nokturnal Mortum have National Socialist lyrics. Enslaved sang about Vikings. Diabolical Masquerade wrote lyrics revolving around horror movie ideas. etc.

It is much more a musical thing than a lyrical thing, and using Wikipedia on things such as metal is quite stupid, as the articles are written by people who usually will not know all of what they are talking about (i.e. saying that Slam Death metal is a sub-genre of DM >_>)


EDIT: Metal is not a sub-genre of rock ... get used to it. Honestly sit down with Enslaved - Forst, and tell me that is in anyway aside from instrumental usage related to rock. I never got, aside from bands like Sabbath and Priest, how people ever found metal to be a rock sub-genre. >_>

Also, metal must be categorized into so many different ways because there are so many different syles, image someone asking for metal, and they like Sonata Arctica, and I go and recommend them ... Devourment, it just won't slide with them. Sub-genres are there because it makes it easier, if you learn them.

Blah, I can't explain the sound of Viking metal too well, but to understand what it is go listen to Einherjer - Odin Owns Ye All, and Equilibrium - Turis Fratyr

[Traitorfish]

Lyrics have nothing to do with genre. If you wrote a blues song, but with really cheerful lyrics, it would still be blues. Certain genres may tend towards certain lyrics, but they're not really connected.

[Crushed Hope]

Lyrics have nothing to do with genre. If you wrote a blues song, but with really cheerful lyrics, it would still be blues. Certain genres may tend towards certain lyrics, but they're not really connected.

Quoted for truth.

[Venom]

Whats the diffrence between black metal and Death metal?

[Traitorfish]

Whats the diffrence between black metal and Death metal?

I think black metal is meant to be slightly more tunefull, but they blur in about a million different places.

[Crushed Hope]

Black Metal: An extreme evolution of thrash about pushing metal to its audible and (optional :P ) lyrical extremes. Guitars are fast and abrasive, often quite minimilistic, and often tremolo picked. Drums are usually fast double bass sections or fast blast beats, usually accompanied by a ride or hi-hat. Vocals are usually shrieked in a shrill high-pitched tone, and production is often very rough to enhance the atmosphere and abrasiveness of the music. Mayhem, Darkthrone, Gorgorth, Burzum and Kreig are all excellent examples of Pure Black Metal. Some BM bands try to incorporate synths and more electronic atmospherics into their music, these bands are often called "Goth Metal" by BM fans although this is inaccurate, the term "Symphonic Black Metal" is a lot closer to the truth.

Death Metal: The other evolution of Thrash, this branch of bands went in a very different direction with the Thrash prototype, they thickened the guitar tone, inserted a lot of musicianship, groove and speed (yes even more). Double bass sections are usually faster, more blasts are used and riffs are usually a lot more technical. However the main thing that sets DM apart is the vocals. Vibrato soaked growls that are projected from the abdomen and shaped with the throat, this is as important part of the music as any of the instruments, however the sounds of the vocals can differ as vocals will NEVER define the genre. Morbid Angel, Cryptopsy, Origin, and Death are all good examples of Death Metal.

[Traitorfish]

Blah blah blah. What's the difference in the actual sound? Unless you've heard nothing but heavy metal for 20 years, then very little.

[Crushed Hope]

... you know, that was smurfing ignorant.

I have been listening to metal for the pasty 2-3 years and I can easily tell the differences. It isn't too hard, as I have said MANY times in MANY threads,listen to the albums I recommend for DM and BM, and you can learn the differences.

[Venom]

People consider Ozzy Osbourne "black metal" just goes to show you what people will do when there afraid of cool people

[Crushed Hope]

If I ever saw someone call Ozzy black metal I would honestly fall on my ass laughing. His "band" played heavy metal.