Black Metal

[Crushed Hope]

Err >_> No. Speed metal is not better than all ... that title goes to black, and possibly post-black.

However some of my favorites are speed metal, in particular Grave Digger,Sex Machineguns and Animetal.

[Venom]

Isnt Animetal the band with Randy Piper from W.A.S.P. as lead vocals?

[Crushed Hope]

No ... Eizo Sakamoto is their vocalist. You are thinking of Animal.

[Venom]

ooops.........

[Moose Knight]

Err >_> No. Speed metal is not better than all ... that title goes to black, and possibly post-black.

I still don't think post-black is a real genre. I mean, the only thing that "post-black" bands have in common is that they used to play black metal. There is no common, unifying "post-black" sound. Ex., the only reason Arcturus and ...And Oceans are grouped in the same genre is that they both used to play Black Metal; however, their current sounds have nothing in common. (Even though I agree that bands categorized as post-black are usually very good. Ulver kills).

And I said Speed metal is better than MOST metal, because there are always bands like Tiamat or Celtic Frost that are really creative and make great albums.

And Black metal is just awful. If someone owns Ulver's Madriggal, Emperor's Nightshade Eclipse and the Early Bathory albums, there's no reason to get any other albums since they all sound like one of those.

[Crushed Hope]

I still don't think post-black is a real genre. I mean, the only thing that "post-black" bands have in common is that they used to play black metal. There is no common, unifying "post-black" sound. Ex., the only reason Arcturus and ...And Oceans are grouped in the same genre is that they both used to play Black Metal; however, their current sounds have nothing in common. (Even though I agree that bands categorized as post-black are usually very good. Ulver kills).

And I said Speed metal is better than MOST metal, because there are always bands like Tiamat or Celtic Frost that are really creative and make great albums.

And Black metal is just awful. If someone owns Ulver's Madriggal, Emperor's Nightshade Eclipse and the Early Bathory albums, there's no reason to get any other albums since they all sound like one of those.

...and Oceans are post black? News to me.

Bands that are post-black include: Arcturus, Dodheimsgard, Solefald, Transcending Bizarre.

Ulver are not post-black, they started out as Black metal, made a folk metal album, and are now doing electronic soundscape albums.

... Tiamat? Speed? No. Early Tiamat was death metal, then they made an atmospheric ... err metal album, then had a Gothic metal period, and are now back to atmospheric ... err metal.

Celtic Frost, were thrash metal, and ... >_> are now kinda avant-gardy. Heh.

You obviously do not listen to alot of black metal, because if you did you would not be making such stupid comments.

Many bands are unoriginal sure, Marduk, Dark Funeral, and a bunch of others, but you have bands like:

Aes Dana
Ancient Rites
Ancient Wisdom
...and Oceans
Axis of Advance
Axis of Perdition
Blut Aus Nord
Burzum
Deathspell Omega
Diabolical Masquerade
Dornenreich
Folklord
Grand Alchemist
In The Woods ...
Limbonic Art
Negura Bunget
Nokturnal Mortum
Sad Legend
Sigh
Sirius
The Meads of Asphodel
Vesperian Sorrow
Windir
Woods of Ypres:

Who are definatly not the same as the aforementioned bands, and each have very unique qualities to their music that sets them apart from every other band on that list.

...and Oceans started using really obvious electronica influences, Aes Dana has a big thing with the pan flute, Woods of Ypres are almost black metal LITE LITE LITE, due to their heavy rock influences and reliance on acoustic guitars, Axis of Perdition ... weird industrial BM project that ... can scare any sane person to death >_>, Dornenreich ... are just Dornenreich and are all yayish.

You are prejuding a genre that you do not know very much about, and that shows. It really does show.

[jrgen]

I forgot all about Sad Legend earlier when listing favourites. My second favourite South Korean band. (I like Oathean better but they're folky melo-death)

[Venom]

I have a question, does Danzig count as Black metal? they sound pretty dark.

[Crushed Hope]

I have a question, does Danzig count as Black metal? they sound pretty dark.

No. Either heavy metal .. or doomy rock.

[Rini]

Crushed Hope, you didn't seem to read my whole post since you made all those conclusions about it. I guess you didn't notice with all that fire in your eyes ;)
Fine by me, if you want to listen to silly boys singing about flower fields, playin rough guitars, rhythms and call it black metal, then go ahead.

[Crushed Hope]

Blah. I did read it.

In it's purest form blah blah about lyrics.

Yeah. No. In it's purest form it is all about the music.

An ideology can not be called "black metal" it can be Anti-Christian or Satanic, but calling it a name that is reserved to a genre is stupid. I don't really care, I know I am right so I have no reason to argue but whatever.

Everyone go listen to Ash and Elm, great melo-death.