Well Organized Time Compression theory (finally!!!).Single theory thread.

[Future Esthar]

I have some contentions with some of the things that you're suggesting. For instance, it's given in the Ultimania that a Sorceress doesn't have an extended lifespan, so I don't see how Adel could have lived long enough to have been reshaping the world in this manner

She don´t lives.She time travel to the different eras.

Furthermore, The Lunatic Pandora is a recent construction--Esthar built it around the Crystal Pillar. The Lunar Cry predates the Lunatic Pandora, which was presumably built as a weapon to control it, and so I don't see how the Lunar Cry would require the Pandora to carry itself out.

The Pandora was not constructed by the Esthar soldiers.It was constructed by an ancient civilization under Hyne´s orders.

President Deling (possessed by Hyne) sent Laguna and company to Centra so they can get a false information about the Pandora as a spy.
Sorceress Adel (possessed by Hyne) just sent the soldiers to go around it to deceive Laguna.
For instance there is two old keys there.I don´t think it just has a purpose on the Crystal itself.
Consider also the ancient letters that we saw on the base of the Pandora on the third disc.
And Ultimecia calls it legendary.

What was it that gave you the idea that the color check was more than just a color check for the holographic tile, like in that second (admittedly pretty, yes; I like colors) picture? I'd be interested to hear your inspiration, because this is rather creative, it's true.

Thanks.
The pattern fits the world map if you put the following constraints:

1-The lines were on areas not accessed by foot(except the ones touching the already known hol. walls of Esthar).Otherwise people would discover its existence.

2-Even the ones we think were possible to cross(see Exceptions) cannot be for some unknown reason.What matters is that the game never tells us they were even crossed on foot.


Since the "color check" panel is inside the hol. walls of Esthar and these ones were linked to the red line it´s reasonable to assume it can be some kind of panel which controls the work of the walls (like the computer on the missile base which controls the coordinates of the missiles).

It explains the constraints 1 and 2.

These walls must be situated mainly on the sea so that people don´t touch them.

Note that the picture don´t include all of the wall around Esthar but only the portion after the Great salt lake and the one limiting Esthar on the south.

This ones separate eras and were not constructed by Laguna.
The extended part of these walls were not spotted on the third disc.
The missing ones were constructed by Laguna after he became president and separates different regions on the same era.

Exceptions

The one crossing the Balamb underwater tunnel-
People can cross this on foot.
However since there were trains going through it people will not dare to go inside the tunnel .Squareseft give us a hint about this on Esthar city when we try to cross the city tunnels.

The one crossing the horizon bridge-
I have reasons to believe that in some portions of the wall there is a system of devices which produce artificial winds.
These winds were so strong that a regular boat cannot advance further (and sometimes even break).Much less a person who tries to cross the bridge from Galbadia). However the vehicles which can time travel happened to be advanced and strong enough to go against the wind.

For instance we know that people spot some kind of a breeze on Balamb town,FH and the Garden.
If you look at the picture you will see that the first two places were two close to an holographic wall.But the wind is strong enough to reach Garden.
The ones passing through Trabia Crater-
Same as above.
The ones passing through mountains-
The explanation requires a lot of time and drawn pictures.
I will answer this from home.

What do I mean by "fit"?

I mean that the continents seems to get enclosed on this areas and the coastal lines somehow seems to follow the walls.
It´s a difficult concept due to it´s statistical nature.

Commpression is these times bein merged so its not really time travel its more like all time in present time!

I know that.That´s why I call it WOTC and not TC.

TC-An infinite number of eras merged on the same era.

WOTC-A finite discrete number of eras present at the same time on different "regions".

WOTC is more like an optical illusion with time travelling phenomena.

[Qurange]

The Pandora was not constructed by the Esthar soldiers.It was constructed by an ancient civilization under Hyne´s orders.

President Deling (possessed by Hyne) sent Laguna and company to Centra so they can get a false information about the Pandora as a spy.
Sorceress Adel (possessed by Hyne) just sent the soldiers to go around it to deceive Laguna.
For instance there is two old keys there.I don´t think it just has a purpose on the Crystal itself.
Consider also the ancient letters that we saw on the base of the Pandora on the third disc.
And Ultimecia calls it legendary.

That contradicts game information, though. It's stated in the game and in the Information files that Esthar built the Lunatic Pandora (though not the Crystal Pillar). I don't recall any script that's any different from other Esthar script on the base of the Pandora, and I can assume that the keys were just left by the workers in the Pandora, like the piles of construction materials lying around. And then, I'd say that Ultimecia calls it legendary because, by her time, the world of the present-day game /is/ legendary. According to the game, she lives in the far future. To her, it is legendary.

Thanks.
The pattern fits the world map if you put the following constraints:

1-The lines were on areas not accessed by foot(except the ones touching the already known hol. walls of Esthar).Otherwise people would discover its existence.

2-Even the ones we think were possible to cross(see Exceptions) cannot be for some unknown reason.What matters is that the game never tells us they were even crossed on foot.

No, but given the existence of ports at some of the world's cities, and the existence of boats at those ports, we can think that marine travel wasn't exactly unheard of--the Shumi regularly saw visitors in the form of merchants, and we didn't have much basis that air travel was common outside Esthar. So, though no one probably travelled through them on foot, they certainly might have on ship--and it's more than possible that someone might have been out on deck while travelling through, at some point in history.

Since the "color check" panel is inside the hol. walls of Esthar and these ones were linked to the red line it´s reasonable to assume it can be some kind of panel which controls the work of the walls (like the computer on the missile base which controls the coordinates of the missiles).

It seemed to me that it was just a normal panel, in place to keep track of the capabilities of the other panels. It could do no more or no less than what the others could do. It would be a bit irresponsible for the Esthar military to leave the control panel for the rest of their wall out where someone might stumble upon it.

It explains the constraints 1 and 2.

These walls must be situated mainly on the sea so that people don´t touch them.

Note that the picture don´t include all of the wall around Esthar but only the portion after the Great salt lake and the one limiting Esthar on the south.

This ones separate eras and were not constructed by Laguna.
The extended part of these walls were not spotted on the third disc.
The missing ones were constructed by Laguna after he became president and separates different regions on the same era.

Exceptions

The one crossing the Balamb underwater tunnel-
People can cross this on foot.
However since there were trains going through it people will not dare to go inside the tunnel .Squareseft give us a hint about this on Esthar city when we try to cross the city tunnels.

Why would Laguna be involved in this kind of construction? I'd like to reiterate the notion that smaller boats might well lead to the same discovery that foot travel would.

The one crossing the horizon bridge-
I have reasons to believe that in some portions of the wall there is a system of devices which produce artificial winds.
These winds were so strong that a regular boat cannot advance further (and sometimes even break).Much less a person who tries to cross the bridge from Galbadia). However the vehicles which can time travel happened to be advanced and strong enough to go against the wind.

For instance we know that people spot some kind of a breeze on Balamb town,FH and the Garden.
If you look at the picture you will see that the first two places were two close to an holographic wall.But the wind is strong enough to reach Garden.
The ones passing through Trabia Crater-
Same as above.
The ones passing through mountains-
The explanation requires a lot of time and drawn pictures.
I will answer this from home.

What are those reasons? When crossing the bridge, no mention was made (that I can recall) of very strong winds, and if there were any winds, they might well be perfectly natural. Seaside towns would certainly often have a nice breeze. For that matter, storms wouldn't be unheard of. As for Trabia Crater, it may or may not have much bearing, but it seemed to me that the special thing about that crater was its unusual magnetic field, which threw off the Garden's instruments.

What do I mean by "fit"?

I mean that the continents seems to get enclosed on this areas and the coastal lines somehow seems to follow the walls.
It´s a difficult concept due to it´s statistical nature.

I know that.That´s why I call it WOTC and not TC.

TC-An infinite number of eras merged on the same era.

WOTC-A finite discrete number of eras present at the same time on different "regions".

WOTC is more like an optical illusion with time travelling phenomena.

The map actually appears to be tilted between the two pictures that you showed. Shouldn't 'south' be at the characters' feet?

It's interesting, but I'm not sure how or why this idea would be brought about. In the first place, there's no factual evidence, in-game, that Hyne ever existed, or that he still does, if he was more than a myth. (I'm not saying one way or the other; I'm just giving what the game tells us.) Many of the things presented here can just as easily be explained by 'natural' means that are already displayed in the game's world.

I'll look forward to your response.

[SnoopyG]

so um game makers would put all this in the game?

[ThePheonix]

Hyne was separated into two pieces: one with the weaker magic that the humans were left with, and the one with the stronger magic that ran away... the way I see it is that they are Ultima and Omega weapons (Ultima (half with weaker magic) being studied at the underwater facility).

And it is possible that time compression that occurs is not actual magic cast by ultimicia, but a reaction to her going back in time so far...

[Christmas]

Half of Future Esthar's WOTC or whatever stuff is here.

Other Bit of it is here or his own "updated" version is here

Oh ya, the "Beautiful" thread that started this....

[MJN SEIFER]

i think you're looking way too far into FF8, man.

White Aeris... I dispair I really do, If you don't like pople seeing deep into FF like FE. Then delte the picture in you're sig, because it doesn't suit you.

[Christmas]

White Aeris... I dispair I really do, If you don't like pople seeing deep into FF like FE. Then delte the picture in you're sig, because it doesn't suit you.

Maybe you should leave others sig out of it. Besides, there is nothing wrong looking too deep if you have some vaild explainations or proofs but a major mistake when all you have claims and self made stories.

[MJN SEIFER]

It's mainly left of the sig. And there's no proof that FE's evidence is self made.

But what DOES the sig have to do with FF8? All will be reveled in a later post!

[Future Esthar]

I will try to argue you later Qurange.
For now I will give a resumed explanation of this thread.
Basically the world of FF8 is divided into several different regions which were in fact different eras.They were a total of 8 eras if we consider the DSRC zone.
These eras were by chronological order:
Centra era,Fishermans Horizon era,DSRC era,Trabia+Balamb era,Winhill era,Galbadia era,South Esthar era and Esthar era.

[Aurora_sword]

I uh...this is all too much....but wow.

[Future Esthar]

I understand you.It´s not really that obvious at first.It looks too farfetched to be true.One is easily tempted to think about rejecting it.
Without some key concepts appearing on the game I would never be able to realize this.
Really,the world looks like if all the places were on the same time.
The year on Winhill is 1572 by the way.

[ChCx91]

everyone are propogators, Squall is Zell's dad, Julia is Edea aka Ultimecia

haha

[Future Esthar]

Why are you laughing at?
If WOTC is true then it´s not impossible for Squall to be Zell´s dad since they were all brought from their eras to Edea´s era.

[Qurange]

Yes, but the question is 'is WOTC true?' and that hasn't really been demonstrated.

...Though it's not exactly nice to laugh at the idea.

[Future Esthar]

When I am on a better mood I will answer you(much things to write).