So was Rinoa the final boss of the game. If not then how else did the sorceress get Griever?
Rinoa and Ultamicea
So was Rinoa the final boss of the game. If not then how else did the sorceress get Griever?
Well I think there is a thread about how Rinoa and Ultimecia are the same person, but that's just a theory. The game never comes out and says that. I think Ultimecia is Rinoa in the future so that's how she got the Griever (from Squall). The time compression is the gang going into the future to save Rinoa from becoming the evil sorceress, Ultimecia. They succeed because Squall becomes her knight.
Rinoa is not Ultimecia. There is the theory, but the FAQ thread on here shows part of why it really just doesn't work. Ultimecia is Ultimecia.
She draws Griever from Squall's mind, from what his conception is of the most powerful GF. Before the final fight, she didn't have Griever.
-Q
Your theory sounds better Qurange.
That's because the idea (that Griever was Drawn from Squall's mind) has evidence to support it.
Ultimecia obtained Griever by Drawing the parameters for the being directly from Squall's thoughts. The direct Japanese dialogue drives this home with heightened clarity.
In the context of the precise Japanese dialogue, Griever's scan data...Ultimecia: Your feelings, I shall summon the most powerful of things
[from them]! The more strongly you feel, that will be what shall torment
you. Fufu.
...can be interpreted to support the supposition that Griever was "created on the spot." Griever, in Squall's mind, was the ultimate GF, and, using those thoughts as a template, Ultimecia brought forth a GF to battle the party. This view makes even more sense in light of the fact that Ultimecia can blow away stocked spells, suggestive of her ability to affect and otherwise utilize memory.Originally Posted by Scan data for Griever
In any case, as suggested by the FAQ, the Ultimania Guide for FFVIII states that Sorceresses do not have extended lifespans. Since Ultimecia lives many generations in the future, there's no logical way that Rinoa could be an active presence at that time (generations in the future). Therefore, one should conclude that Rinoa and Ultimecia are entirely different individuals.
Last edited by Masamune·1600; 11-21-2005 at 02:02 AM.
Both theories have info to support it, that's why we don't know which one is true 100%. FF8 leaves alot of things questionable.
Before someone mentions it, I want to mention that girls in general like to wear their boy's jewelry, so *that* was probably teh reason Square had Rinoa get a mock up of squall's ring :P Not because they wanted to have her grow up to try and kill them all.
One theory is strongly supported by information that is presented at the exact time of the incident in question, while the other suffers from an irreconcilable contradiction. Official SE information states that Sorceresses have normal lifespans. Ultimecia's time is one far into the future; therefore, individuals from Squall's time would have died. While Sorceresses cannot pass on without giving up the Witch Embodiment, they are utterly incapacitated at such time as they should have died. As a result, there is no reasonable way that Rinoa and Ultimecia can be the same person. You may believe what you like, but I assure you that the R=U theory is completely and unequivocally wrong.
yes!!!! finally some good hard proof that ultimecia isnt rinoa. (there was never much proof anyway for ultimecia and rinoa.)R=U is a theory not explained in the game at all but what we are saying in this thread has proof from the game to back it up so R=U is completely false.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4
...*holds up free hugs sign.*
Finally? This proof has been around for some months now, but anyway. All credit goes to SquallOfSeeD for ordering the FF8 Ultimania, and to DarkAngel for translating it.
Oh, and if that proof isn't enough to demonstrate the holes and flaws of the theory(it should be more than enough really, though), read through the Ultimecia section in the "Time/Ultimecia Plot FAQ" found in the following link:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/game/197343.html
its sort of been confirmed though, ill try and find the article(but it all fits though personally i think rinoa and ulty are one and the same)
That's probably flase. I realise the R = U and S = G Theorys are pretty popular but they are false. (IMHV)
Ultimecia returns to Gaia threw Time Movement, as she has done many times but in different forums. Her most recent decent was destroying the world over 10000 years ago. The attemt failed.
Yeah, it's never said officially in the game so that's why I'm not really sure about it. But it would be cooler if Rinoa was Ultimecia in the future.
Masamune: Both are theories. No need to get upset over something petty. Also both have information to back it. But because alot of things seemed vague that's why some people believe the R=U theory. It doesn't really matter either way.
Man, I know I sound pushy and stupid here, but there isn't anything vague about the official Squaresoft document telling us it is not possible for Rinoa to be Ultimecia. The arguments used to support R=U are vague, true, but that's just because they're not good arguments. Seriously, just read the FAQ I mentioned earlier.
However, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY to get around the fact that for Rinoa to be Ultimecia, Rinoa had to have been able to outlive a normal human being, which Squaresoft disproves.
If Ultimecia lives too far into the future for Rinoa to naturally become Ultimecia, then Rinoa is not Ultimecia, QED. End of discussion.
Thus, why I obviously don't own a copy of the official squaresoft document. But I do own a copy of FF8. And in the game FF8 it's vague.
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