Rinoa and Ultamicea

[Sir Bahamut]

I'm missing the point. Are you saying that the game should be treated seperately from what outside information Square gives us?

[Shiny]

I'm missing the point. Are you saying that the game should be treated seperately from what outside information Square gives us?

Eh...not really. I don't really pay attention to info outside of the actual game, because it's not all that important to focus on a video game you know? That's just me.

[Sir Bahamut]

Haha, you're right about that at least.

[Shiny]

Haha, you're right about that at least. :p

Psh. I will be seeing you outside. :D :p

[Shin Gouken]

It all boils down to one thing really. In the final battle against ultimecia, if ultimecia was to kill Rinoa (as in my first attempt) she would have killed the past version of herself and destroyed her own existence in the process. Rinoa does have Squalls ring but it could have gotten to Ultimecia by a number of different ways. The most obvious being maybe Ultimecia is Rinoas great great great grandaughter or some [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img].

[Winter Nights]

Wait.. It's been awhile since I played FF8, but I don't recall Ultimecia having Squall's ring.

[Masamune·1600]

It all boils down to one thing really. In the final battle against ultimecia, if ultimecia was to kill Rinoa (as in my first attempt) she would have killed the past version of herself and destroyed her own existence in the process.

While R=U as a theory doesn't work, this actually isn't a strike against it. Time Compression (even though never fully completed) isn't subject to a concept like the grandfather paradox (or, here, something similar), because Time Compression doesn't necessarily follow the same rules as "normal time travel." Time Compression, as suggested in-game, involves compressing various states of present, and while the Magic is in effect, these states of present can "coexist" without creating causality and continuity paradoxes. Essentially, each "present" now exists without being dependent upon its own past; in overlapping, they are independent of one another for their own continuity.

Basically, as I see it, the states of present exist independent of each other for the purposes of Time Compression. Changing the past wouldn't alter the future, because these are meaningless categorizations within the framework of Time Compression. All time is one.

In any case, as already shown, Ultimecia created Griever by Drawing the parameters for the GF from Squall's mind ("Your feelings, I shall summon the most powerful of things [from them]!").

Wait.. It's been awhile since I played FF8, but I don't recall Ultimecia having Squall's ring.

There's no evidence that she does. It's simply an assumption one is forced to make if one chooses to ignore Griever's having been created during the battle.

[Winter Nights]

There's no evidence that she does. It's simply an assumption one is forced to make if one chooses to ignore Griever's having been created during the battle.

That's what I thought. I've seen the R=U dribble on forums over and over again, but that was the first time anyone used Ultimecia having Squall's ring as proof.

[Slade]

Unlike everyone else, I like the idea of Rinoa being Ultimecia. It's such a cool twist. Wish it was true...but thats just my opinion.

[Christmas]

I like this idea more...

That's debatable

The truth is... Jenova is Ultimecia.
Yep, FFVII's 'background villain' is actually Ultimecia.
There is IRREFUTABLE PROOF in both games.

Jenova can survive travel through space. Thus, Jenova could get from one world to another. If the worlds of FFVII and FFVIII are in fact the same world, then this is fine too - Jenova can survive for millennia, buried in solid rock.

"But Jenova was destroyed!" you all cry. Actually, Jenova's body has the ability to re-form when it's dismembered - even when it's apparently dead.

Both Jenova and Ultimecia are female, and both want to attain God-like power and rule over an entire world.

Jenova has the power to change her form. Ultimecia transforms, as well. Jenova can alter her appearance, gaining the appearance and voice of other people. Jenova and Ultimecia look nothing alike, which proves that they are one and the same, just using different forms.

This is utterly, completely, irrefutably, incontrovertibly, undoubtedly, undeniably, undisputably, indubitablly, unquestionably true.
Coz I sez so.

[Shin Gouken]

I like this idea more...

no arguements here

[MJN SEIFER]

I like this idea more...

aLL THOUGH THIS IS PROBABLY JUST A JOKE THE THERORY IS TRUE

It;s the same wolrd and i;s Time movement relaed (Not compression)

[Destai]

R=U is a nice theory and it wouldve been nice if Square went somewhere with it and actually gave Ultimecia a storyline. Squares confirmed its not true though.

[muzzer]

Yeah, it's never said officially in the game so that's why I'm not really sure about it. But it would be cooler if Rinoa was Ultimecia in the future.
Masamune: Both are theories. No need to get upset over something petty. Also both have information to back it. But because alot of things seemed vague that's why some people believe the R=U theory. It doesn't really matter either way.

but when u think about it, it does fit!!

[boys from the dwarf]

hopefully this thread should end all of those stupid theories about rinoa and ultimecia.