Xbox 360 is Not a Revolution

[Lionx]

Well before the NES, there was no real predefined controller, the goal of a controller is to make sure you can fluidly make decisions and have it acted out as easily as possible on screen. The NES defined it by having basic buttons, and the revolutionary : D-pad.

Then came the SNES which is the one to use shoulder buttons, and that worked out well along with the button scheme in which Sony obviously copied and improved a little on bit by bit.

The controller today has to fit a wide variety of games without you having to buy a seperate assessory to play the game. It doesnt have to be perfect, but it has to be versitle enough and Nintendo did make one that fits just about every game. The controller defines what the game is able to be made on a console IMO, try playing a fighting game that is not Smash bros on the GC controller like Capcom vs SNK 2...its maddening..the Xbox is similiar, but not as bad, but definetly not as good as the PS2's layout as i had trouble with it too(doesnt beat joystick for many dont get me wrong). Now try playing FPS on a SNES or NES controller..its much harder to do than say Xbox's controller or with a Mouse.

Therefore i feel Revolution's controller IS revolutionary....no controller really had the limelight of being the default controller that looks like this(most if there are any, are probably gimmicks like the Super Scope of the Power Glove). However does it mean its effective? Thats unknown at this point...however it DOES have potential...Nintendo just has to show it, and try to prove that a wide variety of games can be played on it the same way as the other controllers.

Well it gone off track a bit but i think i got my point accross...controllers matter a whole ton, thats why Sony doesnt change theirs alot beside's its shape from their PS ones that they copied from Nintendo, it freaking works for almost all games. I hate hard to press buttons, i hate wierd controller sticks smoothness in motions, and i hate those that break easily >_>; Like most third parties.

[Maxico]

Well before the NES, there was no real predefined controller, the goal of a controller is to make sure you can fluidly make decisions and have it acted out as easily as possible on screen. The NES defined it by having basic buttons, and the revolutionary : D-pad.

I hope you're not implying that Nintendo INVENTED or were the first to use a D-pad because they were not. (Neither were they the first to use an Analouge stick on a home console)

Then came the SNES which is the one to use shoulder buttons, and that worked out well along with the button scheme in which Sony obviously copied and improved a little on bit by bit.

Now I wouldn't say copied. Nintendo broke off a deal that basicaly left them with a very advanced SNES. I doubt they would have been able to get the funding to start the controller over again from scratch.

The controller today has to fit a wide variety of games without you having to buy a seperate assessory to play the game. It doesnt have to be perfect, but it has to be versitle enough and Nintendo did make one that fits just about every game.

But Nintendo have already said that their controller for the revolution will need add ons to play all the games. And have even shown the analouge stick as an example. It seems like that goes against your idea of an Ideal controller.

Therefore i feel Revolution's controller IS revolutionary....no controller really had the limelight of being the default controller that looks like this(most if there are any, are probably gimmicks like the Super Scope of the Power Glove). However does it mean its effective? Thats unknown at this point...however it DOES have potential...Nintendo just has to show it, and try to prove that a wide variety of games can be played on it the same way as the other controllers.

It may work in the long run but it seems far from revolutionary to me. All I see is an updated lightgun in a Remote controls shell. Like many of Nintendo's, aparantly, innovative idea it's just an updated version of a rivals less successful product.

[Lionx]

Well you cant really say D-pad wasnt revolutionary, it was the only home system that used it right with the button layout. I mean i seen some pretty wierd controllers for some old systems before.

Now I wouldn't say copied. Nintendo broke off a deal that basicaly left them with a very advanced SNES. I doubt they would have been able to get the funding to start the controller over again from scratch.

I would.

But Nintendo have already said that their controller for the revolution will need add ons to play all the games. And have even shown the analouge stick as an example. It seems like that goes against your idea of an Ideal controller.

Sorry i wasnt being clear, i meant the SNES one when i was talking to this. The SNES format i felt set a standard for most controllers today, most have at least some format similar to it with shoulder buttons and the button scheme(although the GC did sorta go against that..O_o). Revolution yeah its alot different, i would think they might or should include a normal GC controller for its back. And i like to read about the add-ons.

It may work in the long run but it seems far from revolutionary to me. All I see is an updated lightgun in a Remote controls shell. Like many of Nintendo's, aparantly, innovative idea it's just an updated version of a rivals less successful product.

And Eye Toy was super..? Its in the same boat, i feel it can either make a huge leap forward, or crash flat. Depends on how they do it, the DS isnt that great at first, but its alot better now than (i feel anyway) PSP in terms of innovation. Not everything can work out, but it beats doing the same thing over and over like Xbox, and try something else to push the industry forward.

[ljkkjlcm9]

It may work in the long run but it seems far from revolutionary to me. All I see is an updated lightgun in a Remote controls shell. Like many of Nintendo's, aparantly, innovative idea it's just an updated version of a rivals less successful product.

It does not work anywhere near the same way as a light gun. In fact, if you still have your light gun, put in your duck hunt game, and plug in your gun. Get a white piece of paper, Shoot the paper even if it's away from the TV, and you'll hit the duck everytime.

The new controller is actually read in 3-D space and can tell where it is. This is revolutionary. And yeah it has add ons but as I have said a billion times before, first off the analog stick comes with the system when you get it, and the other add ons will undoubtedly be included with the game you need them for. There's no real problem with these expansions, it works well if you ask me. The controller is revolutionary, reading it in 3 space. It's not even close to a light gun, and you obviously don't understand the technology if you think it is.

THE JACKEL

[Elite Lord Sigma]

It always goes that Sony fanboys say the Xbox 360 and Revolution suck, the Microsoft fanboys say the PlayStation 3 and Revolution suck, and the Nintendo fanboys say the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 suck. Basically the first major rules of fanboys, only with different systems and companies depending on the time period. If you don't understand this concept, you don't belong on this thread.

Anyway, I haven't seen the PS3 much, so I'm not sure if I want it yet, I'm 70% sure I want a 360, and I'm 168.42% sure that I want a Revolution.

[lordblazer]

It always goes that Sony fanboys say the Xbox 360 and Revolution suck, the Microsoft fanboys say the PlayStation 3 and Revolution suck, and the Nintendo fanboys say the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 suck. Basically the first major rules of fanboys, only with different systems and companies depending on the time period. If you don't understand this concept, you don't belong on this thread.

Anyway, I haven't seen the PS3 much, so I'm not sure if I want it yet, I'm 70% sure I want a 360, and I'm 168.42% sure that I want a Revolution.

The fanboy concept is rubbish in my opinion.

[ljkkjlcm9]

The fanboy concept is rubbish in my opinion.

I agree, I prefer Nintendo, but I don't hate Sony, I do hate microsoft though, but that's because they're trying to own all technology and dominate it.

THE JACKEL

[Samuraid]

I agree, I prefer Nintendo, but I don't hate Sony, I do hate microsoft though, but that's because they're trying to own all technology and dominate it.

THE JACKAL

What company doesn't dream of doing such things?

[JaytodaP]

And yeah it has add ons but as I have said a billion times before, first off the analog stick comes with the system when you get it, and the other add ons will undoubtedly be included with the game you need them for. There's no real problem with these expansions, it works well if you ask me. The controller is revolutionary, reading it in 3 space. It's not even close to a light gun, and you obviously don't understand the technology if you think it is.

THE JACKAL

Just one problem, What if I don't want Donkey Kong 1,000,000 to have a smacking pad thingy or whatever pathetic thing nintendo will include with it? I still dont like the I dea of buying attactchments. Attatchments should come with the system, Like the Xbox 360 for example, you rake in 250 bucks worth of attatchments for only 100 dollars. On playstation, the only thing you need to buy is a memory card, and maybe a network adaptor, but that came with the skinny one if I'm correct, the original Xbox came with a built in hard drive so all you needed was a game and a controller. I hate you NINTENDO!!! BTW i didnt like the GC control, I need the pad for fighting games, but look where the pad is!

[ljkkjlcm9]

Just one problem, What if I don't want Donkey Kong 1,000,000 to have a smacking pad thingy or whatever pathetic thing nintendo will include with it? I still dont like the I dea of buying attactchments. Attatchments should come with the system, Like the Xbox 360 for example, you rake in 250 bucks worth of attatchments for only 100 dollars. On playstation, the only thing you need to buy is a memory card, and maybe a network adaptor, but that came with the skinny one if I'm correct, the original Xbox came with a built in hard drive so all you needed was a game and a controller. I hate you NINTENDO!!! BTW i didnt like the GC control, I need the pad for fighting games, but look where the pad is!

then chances are it's not a game you'd want in the first place, I never got Donkey Konga cause I didn't want it. AND, the main attachment the games will use DOES come with the system, in fact it comes with any controller you buy, the control stick or nunchuck style.

THE JACKEL

[DMKA]

Hell, that's about as revolutionary as the NES, considering it also has wireless controllers.

What?

[theundeadhero]

With that phrase I was talking about the XBox wireless controllers. Yes, the NES had wireless controllers.