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    Just because they’re in there 30’s, means they cant jump? We've seen Cid jump hights alread while fighting Buhamut and just because Barrer has a massive machine/hand on his arm, doesn make him an invalid to jumping. Its fantasy and they're strong charaters, that alone would be enough reason for them to have big leaps.

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    Obviously, he fired his gun at the ground and used it to propel himself upwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russielloyd
    Just because they’re in there 30’s, means they cant jump? We've seen Cid jump hights alread while fighting Buhamut and just because Barrer has a massive machine/hand on his arm, doesn make him an invalid to jumping. Its fantasy and they're strong charaters, that alone would be enough reason for them to have big leaps.
    I have a sudden urge to make a "White men cant jump" joke, but I doubt the younger posters here would get it.

    but in all seriousness, jumping I dont have a problem with, but jumping several stories I do have a problem with, with prior reasons.

    Obviously, he fired his gun at the ground and used it to propel himself upwards.
    hey, good one. how bout this one?

    Lets just say they had mexican food just before the fight and used the explosive flatulance to propel themselves up there?

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    Now that’s just plain ridiculous...

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    In the world of wuxia lore, martial artists train to be able to attain that feat. In the world of Final Fantasy (or just plain video game) lore, it's all about fighting battles. You don't have to necissarily think of it in terms of levels. But either way, the more battles you fight, the more powerful you get and more abilities you attain. I'm going to cite DBZ as an example of this, for anime reference. Rarely do the characters actually train to highten their martial arts abilities. What they do is put a lot of physical stress on their body. Doing bogus kicks and punches in 10x Gravity isn't going to make your reflexes any better in a fight. But that's how they get "more powerful". Its the way reality works in DBZ. In FF, the same thing is done, but the physical stress is attained through countless battles that we aren't privy to in the movie (it's all in the game). In either case, there is no mental discipline, yet they attain super human abilities. So they can do moves that wuxia does, but they don't get there the way wuxia does



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye
    I strongly agree with this, due to the movies lack of development of its characters mainly. This is mostly on purpose as the producers of the movie said they wouldnt spend time on the character devolpment. They just believe everyone has played FFVII and they wouldnt waste time on the characters. If they had, the movie I believe would have been 1.5 hours longer.
    After talking to all the people in 8th grader who want to see AC, 15 of the 17 answered this way:
    Ren: So, you want to see Advent Children?
    Idiot: Yup.
    R: have you beaten it?
    I: No...
    R: How far are you then?
    I: Oh, I haven't played it, I just want to see the movie.

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    How in the world do they even know of it then? I thought all gamers played FF7 ^_^ (Kidding)



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    They saw a commercial or fanart or KH or something. But they're idiots none the less.
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    The darn movie is $25 to $30. no movie is worth that much, so I'll just have to wait for a used copy at EB and use my used card discount plus another 20% for working at Barnes and Noble

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishin Ookami
    So basically magic Video game pixies teleported them up there I take it? Hey, why not? Makes about as much sense as the rest of the film does.
    My bad I meant say he didn't jump to help Cloud get to bahamut. Barret does jump once to get away from a blast from bahamut but only goes a few feet. You are right Barret Shouldn't jump as high as everyone else and in this movie he doesn't

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    Ishin I dont care what you say about wuxai, wutai or wu tang or whatever it is you watch pull off the things they did in this movie, their usually set in some ancient period, this movie was set in the modern time frame, and wuxia movies are more artistic, this movie was just straight in your face kickass action, I didnt see Le bie or whatever in crouching tiger chuck a motorcycle at somebody using his legs while smashing his fist into the ground, if your a fan of non-stop ORIGINAL action you'll like this movie, If you like sappy chinese martial art movies you'll probably STILL like this movie, I dont know what ishins problem is, tell the Chinese to look out for the Mongols, all that wuxia training and its still know help against a horse and a bow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fantasyjunkie
    The darn movie is $25 to $30. no movie is worth that much, so I'll just have to wait for a used copy at EB and use my used card discount plus another 20% for working at Barnes and Noble
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyk
    In the world of wuxia lore, martial artists train to be able to attain that feat. In the world of Final Fantasy (or just plain video game) lore, it's all about fighting battles. You don't have to necissarily think of it in terms of levels. But either way, the more battles you fight, the more powerful you get and more abilities you attain. I'm going to cite DBZ as an example of this, for anime reference. Rarely do the characters actually train to highten their martial arts abilities. What they do is put a lot of physical stress on their body. Doing bogus kicks and punches in 10x Gravity isn't going to make your reflexes any better in a fight. But that's how they get "more powerful". Its the way reality works in DBZ. In FF, the same thing is done, but the physical stress is attained through countless battles that we aren't privy to in the movie (it's all in the game). In either case, there is no mental discipline, yet they attain super human abilities. So they can do moves that wuxia does, but they don't get there the way wuxia does
    I had issues with just about everything you wrote, but for the sake of brevity, I'll just sum it up with this quote.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vyk
    Doing bogus kicks and punches in 10x Gravity isn't going to make your reflexes any better in a fight. But that's how they get "more powerful". Its the way reality works in DBZ.
    Do me a favor, go to any store that sells exercise gear, and check out equipment like heavy hands, leg weights, arm weights, weighted clothing, ect. What the heck do you think this stuff is for? by strapping extra weights to your body your causing regular acts such as common movements to suddenly put strain on your muscles, and a propor workout with weighted clothing/equipment will actually result in yes, quicker reflexes, because your body will now be doing even mundaine acts such as keeping balance with greater difficulty, and your muscles will have to focus beyond that which they are used too. When practice my roundhouse kicks I do so with leg weights, I started with five extra pounds and have worked my way up to strapping 30 lbs to my legs now, and let me tell you in ten minutes Im dripping sweat from the exertions.

    as for your comparing martial arts training to video games, ummm, you do realize I do practice martial arts. and there is a reason its considered an "ART". There are some practices that focus solely on combat, which is why they are referred to as combat arts. Martial arts refer to training the spirit, as well as the body. And if one is not trained in a particular area then one is typicaly unfit for using the techniques of that art. I wouldnt expect a Muay Thai fighter to be using grappling techniques, nor would I expect a Jiu jitsu practitioner to perform aerial roundhouse kicks. In the same way I wouldnt expect a mechannic and cyborg street thug to know anything about chi use.

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    Ishin I dont care what you say about wuxai, wutai or wu tang or whatever it is you watch pull off the things they did in this movie, their usually set in some ancient period, this movie was set in the modern time frame, and wuxia movies are more artistic, this movie was just straight in your face kickass action, I didnt see Le bie or whatever in crouching tiger chuck a motorcycle at somebody using his legs while smashing his fist into the ground, if your a fan of non-stop ORIGINAL action you'll like this movie, If you like sappy chinese martial art movies you'll probably STILL like this movie, I dont know what ishins problem is, tell the Chinese to look out for the Mongols, all that wuxia training and its still know help against a horse and a bow.
    actually, wuxia films have been known to take place in the modern era, like The Myth for example. and in anime, throwing motorcycles is somewhat cliche. Tetsuo in Akira rarely threw anything smaller then an automobile, In X whole building shatter during one on one combat, Macross Plus and Zero all have giant transforming mecha tearing [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] up left, right, and centre in particularly badass fashion. And John Woo has been doing those sort of chase/combat scenes since time immemorial. Hard Boiled anyone?

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    You know, considering that two of Cid’s limit breaks are ‘Boost Jump’ and ‘Hyper Jump’, something tells me jumping in general isn’t that much of a problem to him…

    In addition, after watching the footage several times, I think it is entirely possible that Barret hasn’t actually moved from where he was before Bahamut started to ascend above the ruins. It would seem that Cloud fell to a lower platform after he knocked Bahamut down for the first time, thus Barret was already higher than him when Cloud jumps up for round two.

    Yep.

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    People gotta agree tough, the music for the movie is great. The music fits perfectly with the scenerio, example being being Cloud going up to stop Buhamut is perfect heroic music that weve come to expect from Final Fantasy.

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